User talk:Jclemens

Welcome, correspondents I occasionally do recent changes patrolling. If I reverted your edits, there's a large likelihood I did so for one or more of the following reasons:

1. No edit summary, especially for a removal. I can't read your mind. If you removed content that was a copyvio or an ad, you can either tell everyone by including an accurate edit summary, or not. If you don't, you stand a higher chance of getting reverted, because I have yet to meet any other recent changes patroller who can read minds, either.
2. No sourcing, especially for a controversial change. I don't normally revert non-outlandish changes unless I have personal knowledge that the original was more reasonable, but if you are going to make a change to a biography, the burden is on you to source it, especially if you want to assert that the existing article was radically incorrect with regard to any protected class.

If you include a good source and a good edit summary, odds of me reverting you are quite small indeed. If you still have questions about why I made a particular reversion, don't hesitate to start a new topic at the bottom of the page and ask why: I am always willing to explain my reasoning.

If you're here because I deleted an article you think should be undeleted, please read this first.
N.B. I don't respond well to either fawning or abuse. Talk to me like a peer, assume good faith, and you'll find I reciprocate in my helpfulness.

Administrator Goals Doing my best to improve the tiny little wedge in the top center:

Deletion of Fiddlekid/secret page game link, and Fiddlekid/secret page game link..

Hello Jclemens, I had just created a secret page game that I had worked VERY hard on. It was deleted because of "G1: Patent nonsense, meaningless, or incomprehensible". I don't see how my pages were any of those things. I would like it if you could put those back for me. If I made a mistake of making those real main pages and not user sub-pages, I would really appreciate it if you could make those into sub-pages for me because I am new to Wikipedia and I wouldn't know how to.

Thank you for hearing me out, --Fiddlekid (talk) 08:04, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Two questions: 1) How old are you? 2) How would those pages have contributed to builing an encyclopedia? Jclemens (talk) 08:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, for one, I am not giving out any personal information. And two, how do other users secret pages contribute to building an encyclopedia and you direct that question at me in particular. I do not think of it as fair to let other users have their own little goof-off pages and I can't have my own. If you can make those pages non-detrimental to Wikipedia, I would be very happy about that. (I am trying very hard not to offend here). --Fiddlekid (talk) 08:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

you know what, just forget about all of this. I am sorry that I brought all of this up and wasted your time. no hard feelings. you can delete all of this stuff that I wrote. thanks,--Fiddlekid (talk) 09:24, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Sthrt

RE: I have re-posted the content with references and articles proving notability. The new post also includes an image. I think the page meets all requirements now. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattmcb (talk • contribs) 20:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I think you have have deleted my post due to lack of notability... I have all the references compiled and didn't get a chance to add them to the page before it was deleted. If there was a save for later I would have used that for posting, but I assure you that the article has notability. Please contact me and let's get this resolved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattmcb (talk • contribs) 20:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Pcwise's Look What We Found!

Wikipedia is written collaboratively by volunteers from all around the world; anyone can edit it. Since its creation in 2001, Wikipedia has grown rapidly into one of the largest reference Web sites, attracting at least 684 million visitors yearly by 2008. There are more than 75,000 active contributors working on more than 10,000,000 articles in more than 260 languages. As of today, there are 2,767,490 articles in English. Every day, hundreds of thousands of visitors from around the world collectively make tens of thousands of edits and create thousands of new articles to augment the knowledge held by the Wikipedia encyclopedia

That is from the Wikipedia About Page. Your telling me I can't make a page about Look At What We Found! But yet, because Birds Eye is a tiny bit bigger, it has it's own page. That is rubbish. I'll keep on putting the page back up, until you leave it alone. Delete things that don't need to be there. Wikipedia is there for reference. That's what it was doing.

The worst thing is, someone deleted my original page, and redirected it to a newer one, with the ! added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pcwise (talk • contribs) 02:11, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Dctriman's Brewery Tour Passport page

Please undelete my page. I am learning how to create pages here and think this will be an excellent resource for people who enjoy touring breweries. I realize the page wasn't complete, but if you would have looked again after you filed your premature claim, you would notice that a significant amount of additional information was being addded. There are 5 State brewer's guilds currently have brewery passports and having a single site resource that points out these states will not only be helpful to people like me who enjoy touring breweries but also will help encourage other state brewer's guilds to create similar projects. I am in no way affiliated with any of these organizations and this post was NOT spam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dctriman (talk • contribs) 19:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of BIG IF

I saw that you deleted the BIG IF page that I created today for A7. When I looked at A7, I saw that it says "The criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source."

I'd like to ask you to reconsider your decision on the basis that the article makes a "credible claim of significance" when it indicates that this is the full-time venture of Ryan Key, the lead singer of Yellowcard. On band notability, Wikipedia:Notability (music) criteria #6 states an article is noteworthy enough if it "Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable."

If you look at the Yellowcard page, you'll see that they released a number of major label albums, and are a multi-platinum band. This should satisfy the claim of "significance or importance."

Then it should only be deleted if it's not a "credible claim." The article's source citation links to the band's myspace page, which will let you hear songs and see YouTube video that clearly shows that this is Ryan Key's new band. While myspace isn't often counted as a reliable source, the A7 rule says "The criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source," and I believe the article demonstrates a credible claim of significance for the reasons I've listed.

Thanks for your time. Nothingcorporate (talk) 08:09, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

You've just made an argument for making Big If a redirect to Ryan Key, if there's nothing else about Big If that's notable, per the rest of what WP:MUSICBIO criterion 6 says. I would have no objection to you creating that and including Big If content in Key's article. A7's only apply to specific copies of articles, and a new copy which better asserts notability won't be speedied. However, don't aim for things that will survive "speedy" criteria, aim for something that would survive an AfD--which includes reliable (non-Myspace, as you note) sourcing. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 16:38, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jclemens, the rest of WP:MUSICBIO criterion 6, as you pointed out, finishes "it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such, and that common sense exceptions always apply." This is neither a side project or an earlier band of an artist who later became famous, so a redirect to Ryan Key doesn't seem to be what is called for.

Either way, if my above argument demonstrates that A7 doesn't apply, then it shouldn't have been speedily deleted and it should be reinstated. And if you think there are other reasons why it is still deletable, isn't the best course of action to reinstate the page and create an AfD page and let the community decide the new, non-A7-related arguments democratically, rather than just you and I debating it on your talk page?

Or better yet, how about you reinstate it, I'll improve it with additional sources, and we can both have a nice day knowing we've made wikipedia a better place.

Thanks, Nothingcorporate (talk) 18:03, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll userify it when I get a moment later today, and you can work on it in your userspace, and move it back when it's done. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 18:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, it's been userified to User:Nothingcorporate/Big If. Jclemens (talk) 18:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I removed your message from my article

It was sourced. What is the problem? Thanks.--What Wat? (talk) 19:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

None of the sources listed so far are reliable. Jclemens (talk) 19:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Keep A Breast Foundation

I hope this isn't wheel-warring, but I'm declining the speedy for copyvio on this article. Only the first paragraph was copyvio, as best I could tell, so I rewrote it. The organization seems notable from a Google search (and worthy). I wouldn't object to any non-speedy tags you want to add. (Watchlisting) - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 01:40, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for dropping me a note, but it's nothing of the sort. I just noticed the speedy tag on the redirect, and moved it to the main article. I didn't evaluate the accuracy of the claim, and if I had, I would have either deleted the article or removed the tag myself. If I speedy tag anything, it tends to be because I want another pair of eyes on it, so declining a speedy I placed is never wheel warring; I delete clearcut cases without seeking a second opinion. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 01:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:01, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

VM

Hey there. I just wanted to notify you that I have created Veronica Mars (season 1). While uploading the image, however, I forgot to change the title: File:B000A59PMO.01. SS500 SCLZZZZZZZ V52125623 .jpg! Silly me :S Anyways, could you please fix this... thanks. :) Corn.u.co.pia • Disc.us.sion 03:56, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Argh. Looks like I can't do it, even with the admin tools. I'm guessing it's just not possible to rename files, so looks like you should just upload a new copy... sorry! Jclemens (talk) 06:31, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Why the delete?

Please explain why the page for Ewen Chia's Bio was deleted. You said "blatant advertising", but there is NO ADVERTISING ANYWHERE. Please elaborate on this for me.

Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by StephenHenderson (talk • contribs) 19:31, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Because Wikipedia is not a directory. That entry had no perceptible encyclopedic value, but served only as a promotional puff piece. G11 does not require that an offer of goods or services be made. Jclemens (talk) 19:34, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, try typing in "Tom Cruise". What comes up? A biography of his. What is the difference?

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Jclemens (talk) 19:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I still don't understand the difference and how one bio can be allowed, but not another. Ewen Chia is the greatest internet marketer ever. He deserves a wiki page highlighting some of his achievements. I kindly ask you to reconsider. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by StephenHenderson (talk • contribs) 19:39, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, encyclopedias are known for highlighting famous and well-known people. Ewen Chia is as well known on the internet as anyone. This information IS encyclopedic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by StephenHenderson (talk • contribs) 19:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

In my case, it means I don't go looking for things to delete. I look at and evaluate the speedy deletion proposals that other editors have submitted. If an article doesn't meet the criteria for inclusion, or even for a more detailed discussion, it goes. The lack of consistency isn't intentional, it's just an unavoidable byproduct of a non-centrally-managed project like Wikipedia. If he's notable, then next time include sourcing in the article (see other articles for examples) and don't write it like a press release. Jclemens (talk) 19:47, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok then. I will re-write it and submit with sources. Can I use the bio about him that is on my website as the source? It is unique from what I will submit here. Let me know if this is sufficient. Thanks for your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by StephenHenderson (talk • contribs) 19:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I have re-submitted the article. It looks much better, and I included the source. Can you tell me if this is sufficient? Thank you. StephenHenderson (talk) 20:13, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Lydia Foy

Just a quick thanks for removing that speedy so promptly, and not leaping to conclusions like some I could mention if I didn't always assume good faith etc etc.

Cheers.

--  Chzz  ►  20:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey, don't thank me. I wasn't the one who created it with a source--that's what saved it. :-) Jclemens (talk) 20:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I Do Not Hook Up

From the speedy tag, "See the (Previous discussion)." Although missing parentheses, I Do Not Hook Up is a recreation of (I Do Not) Hook Up. Here is the G4 being added, [1], before the AfD was started, [2]. Here is the previous discussion you said you could not find Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/(I Do Not) Hook Up. Aspects (talk) 21:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I overlooked that. It's gone now. Jclemens (talk)

So Hot (The Groove Song)

Wrong band, though. The Groove were a 1967 supergroup who haven't released an album in 40 years. Ironholds (talk) 17:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Yep, thanks. I was noticing it and fixing that while you were posting here. :-) Jclemens (talk) 17:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Mengullo, Randy

Thanks for looking at this page. It was deleted following an AfD, but the result of the earlier AfD for Randy Mengullo was redirect. The Mengullo, Randy page was a recreation of that page (original text at User:Mmaasia) and seems unnecessary. Can you advise on whether I should just be figuring "redirects are cheap" or perhaps taking another route? JJL (talk) 18:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

On the whole, redirects are cheap. If an AfD has said an article shouldn't exist, but there's a good place for a redirect to point (good place == article that meets inclusion guidelines and makes sense why that redirect ends up there), then a redirect is probably the right alternative. On the other hand, if someone insists on recreating things and un-redirecting it, they can be warned and/or the redirect protected if it's really a non-notable person. Nothing wrong with nominating such a redirect for deletion in good faith, but yes, redirects are cheap. Jclemens (talk) 19:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Intra Meridian Deletion (band article)

You deleted Intra Meridian because it was unverifiable? I was in the immediate process of gathering together legitimate and reliable sources. I was hoping to keep the article as they are a big band in Ontario, Canada. They have a big booking agent located in Michigan and are signing a contract with a promoter in California. They have already released one full-length studio album and a music video. They meet the criteria for an article. Christian 24.57.212.128 (talk) 18:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Please read WP:MUSICBIO. While failing the standard by less than most, I still didn't see any assertion of current notability. Let me know if there is some, and I can restore the article to your user space, where you can edit in that new info, and then move the article back to mainspace. Nothing personal, and I hope that you're able to make it into an appropriate article. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 19:17, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Deleted Power Core Modding Team

I had about 2 minutes of time trying to begin setting up my page and i get the speedy delete thing due to the messaging saying it was a business or somthing, i even specified on the page info it wasnt a business hoping it would resolve the issue. Anyway moving on, i dont understand why my page was removed but would like it back. If other people could make group related sites such as bands and music why couldnt i make one that supports my own group which was simply 3 friends and myself trying to gather people together to create video game mods. I just wanted to use the wiki page to be able to bring us out on the net. I mean articles on about.com even specify i could advertise groups and such, so i dont understand why I am going through this, this is actually my second page i lost! I read some of the deletion posts some lost theirs due to notability? what do you mean as in proof of the groups exsistance? If thats the case then i can show you this, its my UNPUBLISHED website that I am hoping to soon publish and even set a link to my wiki page if I manage to keep one intact. http://ide.synthasite.com/sites/D02b/D6b5/D365/De84/U8a4986ca1f469114011f48e5635b6b20/8a49866a1f69c20c011f73bab2187ffb/index.php The first page i had was called Power Core Corporation. Im not a business, its just a name i chose for my group. IF im missing somthing or if there is somthing else i should know please tell me? As i would really like my page back so I could have a Wiki about my group! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seryder (talk • contribs) 23:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Unless your group has actually been covered in independent, reliable sources, it really doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Really, speedy deletion of such things may seem harsh, but it saves everyone time in the long run, which is why it's a "speedy" process. Jclemens (talk) 23:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

If you dont mind I would like to be reasonable and discuss this just a little further. My group needs be covered by reliable sources, ok that makes sense and its understandable. However you mean to tell me somthing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_RLY%3F <-- LIKE THAT! has a reliable source that its allowed on Wikipedia! somthing so pointless and stupid is on wikipedia, but mine, no sorry its gone... I am sorry I am not looking for argument but i just find this very unfair. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seryder (talk • contribs) 23:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree that that meme is kind of stupid, but it has been referenced in The Star (Ireland). Once something receives that level of media attention, it merits an article, no matter how much you or I might think it's unimportant or just plain dumb. Jclemens (talk) 23:56, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Thats remarkable! I love the things that DO get put into the news today. Well being as i cant seem to get such a high status to be on any of those reliable sources i guess im done here, i just wanted to take this time to thank you with a final message for taking the time to speak with me about this.

Don't give up. There are plenty of cool things to write about, but most pet projects--be they modding groups, garage bands, or whatever--don't meet the cut for inclusion. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 00:04, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

R3 deletion of Gamble (Death Note episode)

Hi, Jclemens. I think R3 did not apply to that redirect, because it was created as a replacement of an old redirect that was moved while it was temporarily reverted to an article. That would also invalidate the G8 deletion of Talk:Gamble (Death Note episode). Have a nice day. -- Goodraise (talk) 10:32, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Is there any content you need back from those pages? If not, feel free to just recreate them, as they certainly weren't inappropriate. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 16:03, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Alright. -- Goodraise (talk) 16:51, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I am new to wikipedia I need help

Hi there my article was deleted coolchrist by you sir but can you please help me to make it. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stanleywishes (talk • contribs) 02:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Which article was it, and what was the reason given for deletion? That will be a letter (A or G, most likely) followed by 1-2 numbers. Jclemens (talk) 05:21, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Love Game

Hi there, you deleted a page that was created for the Lady GaGa single "Love Game" for reason A9. why was this page deleted? the song has an official music video and is going to be the 3rd single release in the UK and US. any help/info will be greatly appreciated. thank you :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mister sparky (talk • contribs) 02:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Could you link to the specific article deleted, please? I delete a lot of articles. Off the top of my head, if it was music by a notable artist that was labeled A9, I probably hadn't heard of the artist, didn't see it wikilinked, and assumed in good faith on the part of the nominator that the artist had no Wikipedia article. I see that there's an article for Lady Gaga, so I agree that A9 was probably not justified. Jclemens (talk) 06:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Love_Game&action=edit&redlink=1 thanks :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mister sparky (talk • contribs) 14:31, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to recreate it. The entire text of the article, less the speedy tag, was:

== LoveGame (Lady GaGa Song) == Lady GaGa's 4th single international single and 3rd American single == Music Video == The [[Music Video]] for LoveGame premiere in February

I could put it back like that, but it clearly needs to be expanded to merit an article. Even if it wasn't A9 because Lady Gaga exists, it's almost an A3 for lacking significant info. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 16:25, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

My page has been deleted.

Hi there,

My page "Orly Ben Garti" has been deleted saying that myspace has the copyright of the content, this is not correct as i have wrote that text and chose to put it in my wiki page and in the "about me" in myspace.

I am the only owner o that text as i wrote it, therefor i believe that my page was deleted by mistake and would like to know how to undelete it?

Thanks in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Princessbg (talk • contribs) 08:50, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

See WP:IOWN for the process. In short, you'll wither need to place a Wikipedia-compatible license on the site itself, or file an OTRS ticket documenting your ownership and release of rights. While I believe you, it's best for all involved if there's a traceable email or notice, at the very least, asserting that you are the owner and allow your content to be used under Wikipedia's terms. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 16:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

It's the little things that count

Thanks for this J, I appreciate it. Cheers, Skomorokh 04:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate being noticed for those "little things" :-) Jclemens (talk) 04:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)