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Happy editing! --86.29.241.64 (talk) 14:25, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

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Pig flu!

Your statements don't make sense if one is using the wikipedia definition for pandemic. Daniel.Cardenas (talk)

18:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)  ::::::Your statements don't make sense if one is using the wikipedia definition for pandemic. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 18:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

:::::::Some traditional definitions: MedicineNet.com, "pandemic" simply means worldwide spread, WHO's Fukuda. HIV is considered pandemic and it's not a new virus. It seems that the yearly worldwide flu is pandemic by nature, i.e. not localized. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 19:00, 13 June 2009 (UTC)  :::::::Some traditional definitions: MedicineNet.com, "pandemic" simply means worldwide spread, WHO's Fukuda. HIV is considered pandemic and it's not a new virus. It seems that the yearly worldwide flu is pandemic by nature, i.e. not localized. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 19:00, 13 June 2009 (UTC) 

- - == New technology suppressed by Abecedare false claims of promotional materials == - - The following editing was removed by Abecedare: -

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- NASA has been using a catalytic reactor technology on the International Space Station to keep astronauts completely free of all infections. New technology developed in 2009 has been recently developed from the same technology to create a Uniform Picoscalar Concentrated Oligodynamic Silver Hydrosol (UPCOSH), and protocols have been developed to use it as a clinical treatment and a dietary supplemental home remedy for natural immunization without vaccines or drugs against harmful pathogens when used correctly.

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- - Abecedare Please stop. There are no promotional materials in my editing or links to advertisers. If you apply your biased line of reasoning to the entire article, you must make the same claim about drugs (specifically named), vaccines, respirators, masks, surgical masks and hand soap mentioned in the article. UPCOSH is not a product but a new category for silver hydrosols. [1] Elder Hale (talk) 03:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC) - - :Thanks Elder for raising this here instead of edit-warring! - : To me this is a clear example of a poorly sourced "NASA inspired" fringe claim for a unproven medical technology of no notability. The first source is being misrepresented and the second source is not reliable. This is essentially an advert masquerading as encyclopedic content and deserves no place in this or any other wikipedia article. Others views are always welcome, especially if someone can produce a reliable source to verify this claim and establish its notability. Abecedare (talk) 04:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC) - ::I fully agree your point of view, especially it sounds extreme suspicious that NASA is totally not into medical research. MythSearcher^talk 06:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC) - - :::Thanks Elder also for calling it here... I will make it very clear; that blurb was an advert. I was going to remove that exact segment, except that Abecedare beat me to it only by a few seconds. There was no second source and the cited source was a blog/spam. If it was an Earth-shatteringly newsworthy, it would have been picked up by the news media - and it wasn't. Take Care... Dinkytown 18:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC) - - Ok, its fair to say that the second source is not that reliable, but the first source is completely reliable. It is also fair to say that your comments about my addition with the edit was advertising is not being equally applied to the other things mentioned in the article, such as - drugs (specifically named), vaccines, respirators, masks, surgical masks and hand soap. Thus your basic reasoning for deleting my editing is hypocritical, to say the least. - - I request a consensus on how to document, in the article, the new development of UPCOSH noted in the second source, being that it is a brand new development, just reported by FREEWAVES.TV, that has not had adequate time to be published by an source that some here would consider as a verifiable source. Essentially, it has become news at wikipedia. - - Being that it is a new category of silver hydrosols, maybe there should be an article written by some editors here on the subject of UPCOSH and silver hydrosols so that the public can be properly informed. To verify the validity and notariety of the first source and the second source, I submit the following regarding verifiable publications on NASA's research in medicine (which you both deny without having investigated the matter thoroughly) and silver hydrosols in general. - - The National Academy Press provides a copy of the book, "Methods for Developing Spacecraft Water Exposure Guidelines (2000)". Ann on page 117 of that book it shows a graphic of the system used by NASA to recycle every bit of moisture on the International Space Station, including urine.. This is notatated on the page as "FIGURE A-1 The Mir humidity condensate water-reclamation system, which is planned for the early phases of the International Space Station. On the ISS, this system will be located in the service module of the Russian segment." It noted on the page that "Biocidal silver (0.05-0.20 milligrams per liter [mg/L]) also is added here for microbial control.". - - Did you get that, editors? It talks about a "Biocidal silver". This is what is also referred to as a silver hydrosol which is also published in the long-standing Townsend Report as a silver hydrosol that states, "A comprehensive study commissioned by NASA reported that, 'Three experiments were done with E. coli. The first two employed silver propionate (a silver salt). Cell populations were quite stable at room temperature in the absence of the added silver. The silver killed the cells. The process was not precisely exponential, but there was no indication that killing would not ultimately be complete. The extinction times (10-4 killing) might have ranged from < 2 hrs. to approximately 4 hrs. at 50 ppb of silver and from < 1 hr to approximately 2 hrs. at 250 ppb. Silver from the electrolytic ion generator was used in the third experiment, and the probable extinction times were approximately 4 hrs. and approximately 2 hrs. again at 50 and 250 ppb, respectively.' - - This is further verified by the comments in the "Methods for Developing Spacecraft Water Exposure Guidelines (2000)" under "Filter-Reactor Catalytic Oxidation", and I quote, "The system for water recovery from humidity condensate has been upgraded for the International Space Station (ISS) and includes an assembly that will remove organic contaminants by catalytic oxidation in an air-liquid flow at ambient temperature and pressure upstream of the multifiltration bed. This should at least double the life of the multifiltration beds (Samsonov et al. 1997). The composition of the catalyst and the process is proprietary. In fact, this “filter reactor, - ” an ambient-temperature catalytic reactor, has been in operation aboard Mir since January 1998. In the service module design for the ISS, the system will have a condensate feed unit that will facilitate transfer of condensates collected from ISS modules (and stored in contingency water container bags) to the Russian condensate processor for water recovery." - - The Immunogenic Research Foundation also verifies the above by stating, "Comprehensive studies conducted by NASA (circa 1970) on a crude oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol preparation offer a compelling argument that today’s highly advanced oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosols may be the solution to lessening the impact of viral plagues." - - Users Abecedare nd MythSearcher, how's that plate of crow just served up tasting about now? I suggest that you stop , and reconsider your hasty editing without doing your homework, establish a mutual consensus, and work with me on how we might properly present this to readers here at wikipedia. Otherwise you will appear to readers here as people who do not want the world to know about a safer alternative that could save millions of lives. Please note that all the above is GFDL compatible. Elder Hale (talk) 00:15, 14 June 2009 (UTC)