Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mass rape in the Bosnian War

Mass rape in the Bosnian War

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Completely unnecessary and inappropriate POV fork. I had previously redirected the article per WP:BOLD, but it's since been restored. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 22:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

• Merge + redirect - underlying the POV problems within the article, the title itself is POV. With what the text covers, I see no reason why this could not easily fit into Bosnian War#Mass rape and psychological oppression. —Ed (Talk • Contribs) 22:52, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
• Strong Keep If only the title was just a point of view. If only it was a POV fork. UN court findings, a film on the children of the rape etc etc. plenty of extremely strong evidence with lots of information for a massive article. Yes article is not neutral but that is as far as it gets. It completely meets criteria for inclusion. Having been to Bosnia myself and seen the mass graves excavated there is mass denial. We should not fall in to that trap here. Try and assess this based on Wikipedia criteria. I am just amazed that the editors have managed to keep it as neutral as they have. Yes terrible atrocities carried out on all sides but there was a much more widespread (succesful) persecution of Bosnian Muslims. There was mass rape, and plenty for separate article, any issues of neutrality can be sorted out within the article. Polargeo (talk) 23:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

• With all due respect, have you read the article? It is essentially a glorified essay, and not neutral by any means. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 23:40, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

• Comment Multiple chunks of the text are taken, sometimes word-from-word, from this source (it is listed under References). For example, "While 'Mars na Drinu' was playing, the women were ordered to strip and soldiers entered the homes taking the ones they wanted. The age of women taken ranged from 12 to 60. Frequently the soldiers would seek out mother and daughter combinations. Many of the women were severely beaten during the rapes." is written in the original source, the exact same text is included in the Wikipedia article in question. Not sure what this says for the article. Icy // ♫ 01:38, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bosnia-related deletion discussions.

-- TexasAndroid (talk) 00:29, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

• Keep Referenced historical events. Cleanup is an editorial duty, and deletion is not a substitute for it. Edison (talk) 03:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

• It's not a matter of cleanup, really. This is a blatant WP:POVFORK, and to be honest I can't see it ever becoming a legitimate, neutral, encyclopedic article. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 03:23, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

• Keep and cleanup. Sufficient sources that this is something specific. It's a very bad precedent to remove articles because they are difficult to write properly.DGG (talk) 04:43, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
  • The argument here is not to remove the article because it's hard to write; it's that this article is an POV fork of the paragraphs in Bosnian War#Mass rape and psychological oppression that can be kept there. An entire article is just not needed; we don't have separate articles for Rape in World War II (although there is comfort women), for example. Outside of this, I don't think we have another Rape in _(blank)_ war... —Ed (Talk • Contribs) 05:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per copyright violations. Come on people, it was said above; this has to be deleted as a copyvio! Skinny87 (talk) 08:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Mass rape is for the first time recognized as crime against humanity by the ICTY. I am not talking about rape, but mass rape. The sources are all relaible per WP:RS. Emir Arven (talk) 08:51, 23 June 2009 (UTC)