Talk:Thomas Cresap

Removed text, there is speculation in the article as well based on 19th century books. Removing section... The relationship of George Croghan and his nephew and King Hendrick is not important. Removing the rebutal section dispite the inflaming remarks in the article. Conaughy (talk) 06:06, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I believe you are confusing the Indians known as Caghnawaga with some other group. This is a well known group of Mohawk who relocated to Canada after conversion to Catholic faith at the end of the 17th century. Confirmation of this comes from the fact they were in company with "St. Johns and Pasmiquoddi Indians" from the same region. While it may look like a similar spelling, Caghnawaga is pronounced in Mohawk quite differently from Canawagh. I have never seen any evidence of a permanent Caghnawaga presence outside of Canada during the 18th century except for temporary hunting and war parties. See James Smith's captivity narrative for example. I have noticed you reference Connolly having "clinics"? as well as this "Canawagh clan" associated with him. I have never seen any period documents that mention any of this. Could you possibly supply where you obtained this information from? TruthBastion (talk) 04:10, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Should most of the section on Thomas' son Michael be moved to the Wiki page that is already dedicated to him, and not on his father's page? TruthBastion (talk) 04:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I've known well about the problems of the forming of the Five Nations and early the politics that split the late 17th Century Caghnawaga. Not all removed themselves to the Jesuit mission in Canada, they split as some remained associated in our parts. Also, forgot the reference to the 28 Jesuit houses of Cauhnawaga across the mouth of the Kanawha River at today's Kanaugha, Ohio it's name sake est in 1747. see W.J. Jacobs. "The Edmond Atkin Report and Plan of 1755" Conaughy (talk) 06:48, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

"French carpenters were sent to build 28 homes of Jesuit Mohawks, this 1747 Canawagha village was located at today's village of Kanaugha, Ohio, its namesake, opposite the mouth of the Great Kanawha.[37] "...Caghnawago Nation, near Kentucky, a Western Branch of Ohio," writes George Croghan in his journal of 1767. They were estimated to have 70 canoeing warriors at this time. These split later in the century due to politics, a few remained." I have likewise removed this from another article in WIKI. Conaughy (talk) 07:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I can't lay hands on Atkins right now, but if you check the actual full text of the other quote, it reads, "October. Treaty with the Ohio Indians in 8ber Alexander Magenty, Indian Trader, trading w, the Cuttawa Indians, allies of Gt. B., was, on the 26th Jany. last, taken Prisoner by a Party of French Indians, of the Caghnawago Nation, near Kentucky, a Western Branch of Ohio, who beat & abused, & sent him to Montreal." It does not imply that part of the "Caghnawago Nation" was permanently living "near Kentucky", merely that is where they took Magenty prisoner. They often sent war parties far ranging, including into the Ohio Country, as in the James Smith captivity narrative I cited above. The facts that they were identified as "French Indians" and that their prisoner was sent to "Montreal", speaks for itself. And I believe the quote is from 1753, not 1767, and I did not find attributed to Croghan. http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/archives/miamis10/M52_4a.html#233 TruthBastion (talk) 16:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)