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Predator106 (talk | contribs) made a nice list of what should be changed (at the bottom), added my opinion to a split of the main article, and what the KDE community wants to be done to portray them... |
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KDE 4 is out, but we should reorganize the KDE article instead of updating. I believe we should have the main article provide general information, history, and blurbs about present and past releases and have separate articles that are more in depth for KDE 3 and KDE 4 (Keep the current KDE 4 article, make a KDE 3 article). Articles with now outdated KDE 3 tech should be given a last update and programs in KDE 4 should have an update with new screenshots and icons. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Skeith|Skeith]] ([[User talk:Skeith|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Skeith|contribs]]) 00:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
KDE 4 is out, but we should reorganize the KDE article instead of updating. I believe we should have the main article provide general information, history, and blurbs about present and past releases and have separate articles that are more in depth for KDE 3 and KDE 4 (Keep the current KDE 4 article, make a KDE 3 article). Articles with now outdated KDE 3 tech should be given a last update and programs in KDE 4 should have an update with new screenshots and icons. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Skeith|Skeith]] ([[User talk:Skeith|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Skeith|contribs]]) 00:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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I fully agree, otherwise we end up with one big article that attempts to cover ever version imaginable, but fails and is cluttered to the point that it becomes ugly to look at (which is now) ;) |
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I know it's an ironic comparison, but go to the "Windows" page and see what they have, they briefly describe each release, with the latest covering the majority of it, then have links in the brief description (of each release), to it's own article. For example, there are redirects to "Windows 98", "Windows NT", "Windows Vista", etc.. In that article, you also do not see images of each release, they should be designated for their own individual release articles... these articles should cover only Major releases (KDE 4, 3, 2, 1, etc), minor releases of course being a sub-section of it... |
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Any other opinions on this, so we can get started? ;-) |
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[[User:Predator106|Predator106]] ([[User talk:Predator106|talk]]) 00:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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== Licensing-issues == |
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Could someone with a neutral position adjust the article accordingly, please? (I'm afraid I cannot reflect an NPOV because of my KDE e.V. membership.) Greetings, [[User:Stefan Majewsky|Stefan Majewsky]] ([[User talk:Stefan Majewsky|talk]]) 20:24, 26 June 2009 (UTC) |
Could someone with a neutral position adjust the article accordingly, please? (I'm afraid I cannot reflect an NPOV because of my KDE e.V. membership.) Greetings, [[User:Stefan Majewsky|Stefan Majewsky]] ([[User talk:Stefan Majewsky|talk]]) 20:24, 26 June 2009 (UTC) |
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Have a look at: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=124574800219976&q=p3 to get the in-depth view of KDE's future terminology...I imagine the wiki article will have to be modified quite heavily to reflect the differences of them. |
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An overview of what likely has to be done would be the following(to make it more clear): |
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* Stop using (and remove any uses of) K Desktop Environment as KDE's resolved acronym. Likely stop referring to KDE as a "desktop environment" too. |
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* Also no longer refer to KDE as a project, as it is no longer "attempting" to "solve" a problem but rather an on-going process, of an all bigger picture, the community and it's ecosystem, deploying innovative software on multiple platform, whether it is Linux/Unix-based, Windows, MacOS, or embedded devices... |
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* Use the term "KDE" when referring to the community, which creates software for end-users. Also can be used as an umbrella name for technology the KDE community creates |
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* KDE Platform includes Qt, KDE libraries, extensions of Qt, which include but are not necessarily limited to: kdelibs, D-Bus, HAL integration, kioslaves, multimedia backends, and so on |
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* KDE Workspace includes Plasma, KDM, Kwin, System Settings, etc |
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* KDE Runtime includes tools that are required to run desktop applications, like help center or control modules, other required data..(localization, icons). |
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* KDE Applications includes Dolphin, KOffice, Amarok, Konqueror, Konsole, these are all applications that depend on the KDE Platform, including apps found on kde-look.org, and the Extragear model, these are just small examples, as there are many more... |
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So, this article should be rewritten to follow these guidelines, to make it clear the separation and distinction between different sections of our community, as opposed to people thinking that KDE is just one piece of software(like Windows). Give feedback/opinions please..while we are at it, we will also have to decide on the opinion I gave above to an idea to separate KDE's article into various versions, as it is probably best that these begin to happen together [[User:Predator106|Predator106]] ([[User talk:Predator106|talk]]) 00:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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Main Image
Could we please have the front image display the default KDE desktop instead of a desktop with changes? Cbwcjw (talk) 20:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Addendum- it now says the front image, which hasnt changed, is the defualt desktop of KDE 4.3, which it is not. Cbwcjw (talk) 05:53, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Talk archived
Talk page was getting difficult to follow and people were adding comments to sections which had been dead for three years. I've split the archives up into three sections: early commentary, a huge licensing flame war and later comments. Chris Cunningham 09:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Icon designer
The designer for the KDE icon was David Vignoni. I don't know where to include this in this article; perhaps someone else has a better idea. Stwalkerster 17:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Made TimeLine into a table
Put the timeline section into a table, looks neater in my opinion. feel free to change it back if you disagree.
Also I've put it on the Linux WikiProject page but I might as well put it here as well... We need a separate wikiproject for KDE and GNOME, anyone willing to start one or participate should reply to this or the aforementioned Linux project talk page.
History
Was KDE developed Specifically to replace CDE? The history on kde.org seems to sidestep the question, and I'm sure for good corporate relations they would not want to advertise that KDE is built on the failures of CDE. But the name KDE suggests that its a CDE replacement and I think a neutral Wikipedia article should cite sources confirming or denying the original intent here. Cuvtixo 16:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
please could somebody answer this b4 it is deleted?
Is this an operating system of do i need to download unix as well? thanks
- It's not an operating system. Here you find OS's shipping KDE —Preceding unsigned comment added by Momet (talk • contribs) 15:05, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Some reorganization is needed, badly
KDE 4 is out, but we should reorganize the KDE article instead of updating. I believe we should have the main article provide general information, history, and blurbs about present and past releases and have separate articles that are more in depth for KDE 3 and KDE 4 (Keep the current KDE 4 article, make a KDE 3 article). Articles with now outdated KDE 3 tech should be given a last update and programs in KDE 4 should have an update with new screenshots and icons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skeith (talk • contribs) 00:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I fully agree, otherwise we end up with one big article that attempts to cover ever version imaginable, but fails and is cluttered to the point that it becomes ugly to look at (which is now) ;)
I know it's an ironic comparison, but go to the "Windows" page and see what they have, they briefly describe each release, with the latest covering the majority of it, then have links in the brief description (of each release), to it's own article. For example, there are redirects to "Windows 98", "Windows NT", "Windows Vista", etc.. In that article, you also do not see images of each release, they should be designated for their own individual release articles... these articles should cover only Major releases (KDE 4, 3, 2, 1, etc), minor releases of course being a sub-section of it...
Any other opinions on this, so we can get started? ;-)
Predator106 (talk) 00:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Licensing-issues
Is it just me, or is the part about "licensing-issues" forced and arbitary? It seems like someone went out of their way to mention that point? Also, it contains claims that are somewhat unsubstantiated, like the claim that commercial apps usually use GTK+ instead of Qt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.30.176.84 (talk) 15:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
LGPL license option added toqt (as of 2009/01/14) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.223.24.72 (talk) 15:05, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
windows?
since when can kde be used on windows (i.e not using a linux that runs on windows) under the platform windows is listed.. can someone cite a refence to that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.24.175.199 (talk) 18:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
maybe this could be a section in the articale because kde on windows is not really mainstreem more "testing" according to the website.. or maybe where it says windows we could put that link as a cite refence..
Release dates
I've been looking for the initial release dates for each major version (1.0, 2.0, 3.0 & 4.0) but neither this site (under history) not the sites dealing with more specific versions gives the initial release date, just the latest. EDIT: Found the release date for 1.0, but none of the rest.74.207.74.156 (talk) 21:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.207.74.156 (talk) 20:58, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Merge from Kandalf complete
I have completed the merge from Kandalf and placed the main content in the "Identity" section. Edit the result as appropriate. —Danorton (talk) 00:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
The brand "KDE"
The KDE project is currently in the process of dropping the meaning of the acronym "KDE", because it does not conform to how the community members self-reflect on their project. See http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=124574800219976&w=2 for more information.
Could someone with a neutral position adjust the article accordingly, please? (I'm afraid I cannot reflect an NPOV because of my KDE e.V. membership.) Greetings, Stefan Majewsky (talk) 20:24, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Have a look at: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=124574800219976&q=p3 to get the in-depth view of KDE's future terminology...I imagine the wiki article will have to be modified quite heavily to reflect the differences of them.
An overview of what likely has to be done would be the following(to make it more clear):
- Stop using (and remove any uses of) K Desktop Environment as KDE's resolved acronym. Likely stop referring to KDE as a "desktop environment" too.
- Also no longer refer to KDE as a project, as it is no longer "attempting" to "solve" a problem but rather an on-going process, of an all bigger picture, the community and it's ecosystem, deploying innovative software on multiple platform, whether it is Linux/Unix-based, Windows, MacOS, or embedded devices...
- Use the term "KDE" when referring to the community, which creates software for end-users. Also can be used as an umbrella name for technology the KDE community creates
- KDE Platform includes Qt, KDE libraries, extensions of Qt, which include but are not necessarily limited to: kdelibs, D-Bus, HAL integration, kioslaves, multimedia backends, and so on
- KDE Workspace includes Plasma, KDM, Kwin, System Settings, etc
- KDE Runtime includes tools that are required to run desktop applications, like help center or control modules, other required data..(localization, icons).
- KDE Applications includes Dolphin, KOffice, Amarok, Konqueror, Konsole, these are all applications that depend on the KDE Platform, including apps found on kde-look.org, and the Extragear model, these are just small examples, as there are many more...
So, this article should be rewritten to follow these guidelines, to make it clear the separation and distinction between different sections of our community, as opposed to people thinking that KDE is just one piece of software(like Windows). Give feedback/opinions please..while we are at it, we will also have to decide on the opinion I gave above to an idea to separate KDE's article into various versions, as it is probably best that these begin to happen together Predator106 (talk) 00:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
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