Talk:New antisemitism

article is too long

I think this article is too long and too much devoted to showboating the opinions of a few academics.

Telaviv1 (talk) 11:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

United Kingdom section

I am going to remove the following paragraph from New_antisemitism#United_Kingdom.

Lord Janner of Braunstone gave evidence regarding antisemitic remarks made to him in Parliament. After the arrest of Saddam Hussein, another peer approached him and said: "We've got rid of Saddam Hussein now. Your lot are next." When asked what she meant by "your lot," she replied: "Yes, you cannot go on killing Palestinians forever, you know." Oona King, former MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, gave evidence that many of her former constituents told her they could not vote for her because she was funded by the Israeli Secret Service.[48]

This article is for discussion of the concept of antisemitism. It is not a list of antisemetic incidents. Reference to members of the British government gives the misleading impression of systemic or institutional antisemitism in the United Kingdom. As this is not proven, the inclusion here is undue weight.

Further, the mean head is "International Perspectives". In the example of UK, the British All-Party Parliamentary Inquiry into Antisemitism is relevant - specific isolated incidents of anti-semitism are not. Please see the entries for France, Israel, and the USA - they do not mention incidents of anti-semitism in the government, but rather the political and social enquiries into the matter.

Beganlocal (talk) 19:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Research in peer-reviewed journals

This article contains too much of the he-said, she-said of opinion columns. I have started a section devoted to Research on the new Anti-semitism that has been publishedin peer-reviewed journals.Historicist (talk) 20:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Although the two academic studies referenced under this title are worthy of inclusion, I don't think it's appropriate to portray them as any sort of definitive statement on the subject. "Research in peer-reviewed journals" is clearly an inappropriate title. CJCurrie (talk) 22:22, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Have you read the studies? They are compelling. Do you really htink that this belongs only at the end of the article?Historicist (talk) 22:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure the articles make some valid points, but that's not the issue here. My point is that it's not appropriate to use these two academic articles as a definitive statement on a subject as complex as "new anti-Semitism". To respond to your second point, I'm certain that these two articles aren't important enough to mention on line 38; if you can think of a better place for the section, please suggest it. CJCurrie (talk) 23:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. The nature of science (and especially social science) is such that no single experiment or observation instantly creates a scientific consensus. Such results should certainly be included, but they should be presented as what they are: points of information, not definitive and unassailable conclusions. --FOo (talk) 16:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Material removed by User:Commodore Sloat

• User:Commodore Sloat removed the entire section on Academic Studies. I have put it back in, but he bears watching.Historicist (talk) 20:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

That material doesn't mention "new antisemitism" at all. I'm removing it again. csloat (talk) 22:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

• the material consists of two, formal, academic papers that appeared in peer-reviewed journals both addressing the issue of the new antisemitism. Frankly, I am at a loss to understand the Commodore's objection. The material is below.:Historicist (talk) 18:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Please do not restore the material; it does not discuss "the new antisemitism." It discusses antisemitism but nowhere does it specifically discuss the neologism that this Wikipedia article is about. I realize one of the article is quoted as discussing "a new theoretical model of anti-Semitism," but that is distinctly not "new antisemitism"; a quick look at the abstract of that article reveals that the phrase "new theoretical model" is about plain old antisemitism, and that in fact the model is introduced in this study itself, not in the 1960s or whenever this article asserts that "new antisemitism" begins. Saying that these studies are on a topic similar to "new antisemitism" or inferring from their content that they are related to the "new antisemitism" that this article is about is pretty clearly an act of original research. If the studies don't mention "new antisemitism," we cannot claim that they do. csloat (talk) 22:03, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Hist, can you say where the material uses the phrase "new antisemitism?" IronDuke 23:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

• According to Wikipedia: "New antisemitism is the concept that a new form of antisemitism has developed in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, emanating simultaneously from the left, the right, and fundamentalist Islam, and tending to manifest itself as opposition to Zionism and the State of Israel." That is what these two studies are about. There is nothing magical about the phrase "New AntiSemitism." The keys, according to t Wikipedia article, are that a) it is a contemporary phenomenon b) it manifests itself as opposition to Isrel and Zionism. The 2009 study defines its topic this way: "Anti-Semitism is resurgent throughout much of the world. A new theoretical model of anti-Semitism is presented and tested in 3 experiments. The model proposes that mortality salience increases anti-Semitism and that anti-Semitism often manifests as hostility toward Israel." The 2006 study begins with this: "In the discourse surrounding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, extreme criticisms of Israel (e.g., Israel is an apartheidstate,theIsraelDefenseForcesdeliberatelytargetPalestiniancivilians),coupled with extreme policy proposals (e.g., boycott of Israeli academics and institutions, divest from companies doing business with Israel), have sparked counterclaims that such criticisms are anti-Semitic (for only Israel is singled out)." Clearly they are talking aobut the phenomenon that Wikipedia chooses to name as "New Anti-Semitism." A quick read of the articles makes it patent that they discuss the same phenomenon as the Wikipedia article describes.Historicist (talk) 00:51, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

=Academic studies

A 2009 study entitled "Modern Anti-Semitism and Anti-Israeli Attitudes", published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology in 2009, tested new theoretical model of anti-Semitism with 3 experiments. The research team's theoretical model proposed that mortality salience (reminding people that they will someday die) increases anti-Semitism and that anti-Semitism is often expressed as anti-Israel attitudes. The first experiment showed that mortality salience led to higher levels of anti-Semitism and lower levels of support for Israel. The study’s methodology was designed to tease out anti-Semitic attitudes that are concealed by polite people . The second experiment showed that mortality salience caused people to perceive Israel as very important, but did not cause them to perceive any other country this way. The third experiment showed that mortality salience led to a desire to punish Israel for human rights violations but not to a desire to punish Russia or India for identical human rights violations. According to the researchers, their results “suggest that Jews constitute a unique cultural threat to many people’s worldviews, that anti-Semitism causes hostility to Israel, and that hostility to Israel may feed back to increase anti-Semitism.” Furthermore, "those claiming that there is no connection between antisemitism and hostility toward Israel are wrong."

A 2006 study in the Journal of Conflict Resolution argued that although almost no respondents in countries of the European Union regarded themselves as antisemitic, antisemitic attitudes correlated with anti-Israel opinions. Looking at populations in 10 European countries, Small and Kaplan surveyed 5,000 respondents, asking them about Israeli actions and classical anti-Semitic stereotypes. "There were questions about whether the IDF purposely targets children, whether Israel poisons the Palestinians' water supply - these sorts of extreme mythologies," Small says. "The people who believed the anti-Israel mythologies also tended to believe that Jews are not honest in business, have dual loyalties, control government and the economy, and the like," Small says. According to this study, anti-Israel respondents were 56% more likely to be anti-Semitic than the average European. "This is extraordinary. It's off the charts." says Small. The study also found that popular levels of both antisemitism and anti-Israel opinion were lower than expected, and did not equate antisemitism with anti-Zionism.

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Antisemitism and anti-Israelism

Yesterday we had a fine example of wikipedia no-nothingism. Two well-designed academic studies were published establishing not only that there a link between anti-Semitism and anti-Israel attitudes and activism, (the studies show that people with anti-Israel opinions, people who would never utter an anti-Semitic word and who deny being at all anti-Semitic, harbor deeply anti-Semitic attitudes,) but that anti-Israel rhetoric demonstrably leads to anti-Semitic attitudes and incidents. I attempted to add a sentence, (differently tailored sentences) to four or five articles that contain lengthy sections on the argument over whether there is a link between anti-Semitism and anti-Israel rhetoric. CJCurrie followed me around and removed the sentences from all but one article. I do not know if CJCurrie is such a person, but there are some people who cannot bear to see actual evidence that contradicts their deary-held beliefs. The pity is that quite a few of them edit Wikipedia.Historicist (talk) 14:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

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There is no need to attack other editors. Please continue the discussion above with a view towards consensus, rather than towards finding ways to condemn other editors. --FOo (talk) 16:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)