Talk:Gun politics in the United States

Gun laws and un-known weapons

someone can make a gun/gun like weapon to avoid laws. A rail driver is only a rail gun when you call it a gun there are so many loop holes Dudtz 8/25/05 6:14 PM EST

Someone cannot mass produce guns so easily. User:unknown

As a person who owns a small gun manufacturer, I'll tell you the machinery required to manufacture guns can be obtained via a signature loan, and the plans required are freely available on the internet.

Bad Statistics

Kruschke states, however, regarding the fully automatic firearms owned by private citizens in the United States, that "approximately 175,000 automatic firearms have been licensed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (the federal agency responsible for administration of the law) and evidence suggests that none of these weapons has ever been used to commit a violent crime." This needs to be corrected, IIRC there is at least one incident where a police officer used a legally registered machine gun to commit a murder. On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies. http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.239.86.1 (talk) 23:08, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

State Organizations

I saw a number of Michigan groups added today, and I wanted to know if the "Organizations" section should be limited to National organizations. I fear that the section could become ridiculous with every chapter of every group, gun club, and every state organization being listed. It is already quite long, perhaps this could be spun into a new page or two (Pro-gun organizations, and Anti-Gun organizations)

DC gun law

From:http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/State/State.aspx?st=dc POSSESSION

Rifles and Shotguns

All rifles and shotguns must be registered with the Metropolitan Police. To obtain a registration certificate, the applicant must be 21 years old (or be over 18 and have a liability statement signed by his guardian), pass a vision test or have a valid D.C. driver`s license, and not be:

1. Convicted of a crime of violence or a weapons offense.
  2. Under indictment for a crime of violence.
  3. Convicted of a narcotics or an assault or battery charge within the last five years.
  4. Acquitted of a crime by reason of insanity or adjudicated an alcoholic within the past five years.
  5. Committed to a mental hospital within the past five years.
  6. Suffering from a physical defect which might render his possession of a gun unsafe.
  7. Found negligent in any firearm mishap.

Why would an 18 year old have a guardian? Dudtz 10/15/06

Thanks...

Good job neutering the article. Comparing it to the March version, we have far fewer facts and citations especially in the pro gun rights parts of the article.

Whoever is the politically motivated censor - good job. You are a credit to the kinds of fools that are ruining Wikipedia.

I'm going to revert about 500 changes in this article in the next few days, putting back in all the information which was deleted.

The link to http://www.cdc.gov/mmwR/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm keeps vanishing, which really needs to stop. I'm bored of repopulating it, and when the side in favor of gun control admits that Gun Control has never worked in the US, it's worth noting. Congrats to whoever has censored it, it demonstrates an impressive dedication to eliminating guns no matter the cost. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.219.35 (talk) 17:13, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

The NAS 2004 review on firearms and violence also came to the conclusion that no gun control policy had a measurable impact on violent crime, same as CDC 2003 and same as the conclusion in Chapter 13 of James D. Wright, Peter Rossi, Kathleen Daly, Under the Gun, Aldine 1983, the book publication of a study on weapons, crime and violence in America commissioned by the Carter Administration (scarcely known for being pro-gun). The polarized nature of gun control and the blind faith in a priori positions is one reason why "reasonable" and "gun control" do not belong in the same sentence. Naaman Brown (talk) 18:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Use of Polls

The introductory paragraph presents the results of three different polls, taken at widely different times by different organizations with different methodology, as a current and singular snapshot of American public opinion. That is an incorrect, invalid and misleading use of poll results. Additionally, one of the polls reported in the article as showing a drop in support for new gun laws actually reported on gender differences in such responses--another misuse. 76.23.157.102 (talk) 05:40, 25 October 2009 (UTC)