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Proposal: "Gun Politics Task Force"[edit]

This scope of this project now includes "political" topics such as organizations and legislation related to firearms. Many of the issues with those topics are distinct from those concerning the firearms themselves. Per discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Firearms#Source discussion 2 and User talk:Rezin#Gun politics discussion from Mike's page, some editors think it would be beneficial to split out the political topics into a task force, which would function as a sub-project. The effect would be to remove those articles from the watchlist, etc, of the main Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms and allow interested editors to more easily focus on them. The hope is that this would spark new interest in improving politically related firearms articles, and lower the level of controversy on the remaining articles. One option is to make it a joint task force with Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics and/or Wikipedia:WikiProject Law, should those projects be interested. This proposal does not require any special approval from the overall WP community, but it should have a consensus of users at this project. Please give your views here. Rezin (talk) 19:44, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

  • Support - I support the concept of separating the regulatory aspects of firearms use from the technical aspects of firearms construction and operation. Perhaps the Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Maritime warfare task force might serve as a model for a separate subgrouping. Thewellman (talk) 02:11, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Thewellman, that's a great suggestion. I too support this effort. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 04:08, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Strong support here. While an understanding of firearms technology is vital to understanding firearms law and politics, it's also important to know law and politics in general. Faceless Enemy (talk) 06:04, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
@Rezin: So it looks like we have a consensus...how do we move forward? Faceless Enemy (talk) 06:01, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
I agree. Thanks to everyone who participated. @Scalhotrod: has put some effort into thinking about how to create this task force, so it'd be best for him to take the lead. I'll start a fresh thread below for discussion about how to proceed now that we've agreed on its creation. Rezin (talk) 23:00, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Support - As one of the founders of [1] GSL, I can see how this could be beneficial in a number of ways. I'm no expert on the technical side of firearms, but I do have some experience and knowledge within the realm of what could be considered "gun politics". The main issue in most of these types of articles seems polemic in nature, and being able to find and acheive a WP:Balance within these articles. Often, diffusing differences of opinion between the two sides can be quite daunting and takes time and trust between editors. I've had the privilege of getting to know and work with some of the folks on both side of the aisle on WP and feel I could be of some use in these matters. Darknipples (talk) 17:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Cautious support. Lightbreather (talk) 21:57, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Problems with History of the firearm and Firearm#History[edit]

My WP work recently has me moving about quite a bit, and this came to my attention today: the overlap and discrepancies between Firearm#History and History of the firearm. For instance, the former article mentions greek fire, but the latter does not. The former also says that "History of the firearm" is the main article (for firearm history), but then goes on with many subsections of material that may or may not be in the other article. "Firearm" was created in September 2001, and "History of the firearm" was created in April 2007. "Firearm" is rated Top-importance to this project, but "History of the firearm" is unrated. Both have large blocks of text that lack inline citations. The whole scope is outside my general knowledge and interest. I don't want to touch them, but maybe one or more members of the project would be interested and better qualified than I? Or maybe the military history or technology projects? Lightbreather (talk) 18:37, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing that. The project importance ratings aren't of much importance. Regardless of that, both articles are important. In a perfect Wikipedia world, the history material in the "Firearms" article would simply be a summary of the "History" article. But as you've discovered, things are more complicated. One strategy would be to fold anything that not already there into the "History" article, make other improvements to that article (including citing where appropriate), and then create a fresh summary for the "Firearms" article. I can do part of that work. Rezin (talk) 20:01, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
That would be great. Let me know if I can be of assistance. Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 20:18, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

MP 40 and referencing Military Factory website[edit]

Please visit the discussion here. The article has been nominated for GA-review, spawning a discussion whether the Military Factory website is a WP:RS. Opinions are welcome. Thanks MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I've posted a review of the source there. Rezin (talk) 22:58, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
The article just underwent a massive overhaul. Any editors familiar with or interested in WWII weapons may want to check it for completeness and accuracy. Rezin (talk)
Thanks for your help on this MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:24, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Gun Politics Task Force: creation process[edit]

There is a consensus among active editors to create a "Gun Politics Task Force" as a sub-project of WikiProject Firearms. See Proposal: "Gun Politics Task Force". @Scalhotrod: has reserved the page, Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms/Gun Politics Task Force. He has also researched other task forces which we can use as a template. The most important issue to consider is the scope of the task force, and hence which articles it will include. That scope won't be fixed forever: we just need a working definition to get started. To get the ball rolling, I'd propose we might say something like, "Topics encompassing organizations, legislation, regulations, political issues, and societal effects associated with firearms." How can we improve on that? Rezin (talk) 23:11, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

@Rezin: sounds good. It can be changed later if we need to. I'd suggest adding people too - e.g. Carolyn McCarthy, Wayne LaPierre, and Big Tim Sullivan. Faceless Enemy (talk) 12:26, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Request for "Threaded barrel" article or update[edit]

The technical stuff is not my forte. Could someone either A) create a Threaded barrel article, or B) add the information to Gun barrel? Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 19:31, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

On a related note, I have proposed merging Muzzle (firearms) into Gun barrel. Lightbreather (talk) 20:02, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

  • Threaded barrel may be an ambiguous term, since many barrels are threaded at the chamber end for attachment to the receiver. Perhaps threaded muzzle would be a more appropriate term, or we might want to keep the muzzle (firearms) article separate to include description of attachment mechanisms for such items as a front sight, sling, bipod, bayonet, flash suppressor, or silencer. Thewellman (talk) 21:20, 25 March 2015 (UTC)