Talk:Ichigo Kurosaki

Synopsis

It doesn't seem like the synopsis of Ichigo is really up to date. Can someone elaborate? --Skeletawn (talk) 02:43, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

What would you add? He hasn't been seen in three months (chapter 318), and the section reflects what he was last seen doing. ~SnapperTo 02:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh. I don't read the manga, so I didn't know. --75.104.160.36 (talk) 01:47, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, now he has been seen for over a month. I think we can update the plot some. There's one important major plot point. Ichigo is defeated easily and stabbed in the heart but comes back to life in an alternate, much stronger Hollow form. We need to update this section with as much new information about this new form as possible. Occamsrazorwit (talk) 23:43, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

No, we don't. This isn't a "news" site and chapter by chapter updates are inappropriate, as is "as much new information" as possible. This is a summary, not a fansite nor Bleach guide. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:55, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I think a whole new transformation is rather notable, personally, and should be mentioned in a 'summary'. Frequen-Z (talk) 20:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

It would probably be appropriate to wait for more information on the form and how it came to be. Saying Ichigo died and then revived himself as a hollow, or some other interpretation, could be a point of contention until Kubo spells it out for us. Besides, he is still "engaging [Ulquiorra] in combat", so the article isn't necessarily behind the times. ~SnapperTo 21:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Exactly...until its over, better to wait for the how/why, and also to see if this is a one-time thing or not. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 22:19, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Well since Ichigo has now defeated Ulquiorra or atleast he died, we should update the Synopsis, plus like Collectonian said, this isn't a fansite or something so we don't need to put down why Ichigo transformed, just that he did during the fight.(user talk: Bleach28jak3)13:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bleach28jak3 (talk • contribs)

Bankai and hollow images

We are currently using three images in abilities. Although they have an important use they bother a bit the paragraphs. Does anybody know of a image of Ichigo in bankai state while having the hollow mask? I suppose in the anime there are some of those images like in the fights against Grimmjow. That would help the section. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 16:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

His fights in Hueco Mundo show him with both ([1], [2], [3]. Alternatively you could try an image with Zangetsu and hollow Ichigo (which I can't find a good image of [chapters 110-112]). ~SnapperTo 22:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

i noticed the article says that hollow ichigo has yellow eyes, and reversed kimono and sword. but in the manga, he is shown with white/grey eyes. i think its only when ichigo is using his hollow form is when he has yellow eyes, but not when you see his actual inner hollow.(Haseo445 (talk) 17:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC))

White/grey eyes... because... the manga is in black and white. See the anime and you'll see the yellow. :Starshade17 (talk) 16:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

NO, that's not what i meant, in bleach manga volume 25 cover (i think), they show hollow ichigo technically in color, he was all white with some shadowing and with a blue tongue and white/Grey eyes. Just like how Gin has green eyes in the manga but its blood red in the anime. In the manga, hollow ichigo that's inside Ichigo shown with Grey eyes, but while ichigo is using his hollow mask, Orihime mentions that he has yellow eyes. So like i said before, maybe we should mention that hollow ichigo has Grey eyes but ichigo in his visored form has yellow eyes.(Haseo445 (talk) 16:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC))

In-universe?

Is this article written mainly in in-universe style? Give me your opinions. Expo377 (talk) 07:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Basically, thats what the other articles sound like to me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.249.176.77 (talk) 15:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, added a little something to the article then. Expo377 (talk) 07:52, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

An answer by an anon user does not say the article is written this way. Why do you say its written this way? Have you read some parts that are in that style?Tintor2 (talk) 16:49, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Never mind, the stuff is minor anyway; I'm sorry I put it in there in the first place. Expo377 (talk) 03:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Ichi's New Hollow Form

Shouldn't something be mentioned about Ichigo's new Hollow form? You know, the one he assumes after Ulquiorra Schiffer blows a hole in his chest with his Cero Oscuro. The mask is very different from Ichigo's normal Hollow mask, and its body shape is different than the one he took transforming into a complete Hollow while training with the Vizard (horns, no tail, no shoulder spikes). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.84.228 (talk) 01:40, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

oh this was not put by this person but in my personal opinion and that of my friend this is not per say a new "hollow form' but ichigo's "ARRANCAR form" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.106.242.146 (talk) 03:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

That's WP:OR and we should refrain from putting it. DaisukeVulgar (talk) 09:41, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually it shouldn't be included at all til a legit english translation of that manga or episode exists...which won't be for a while!--Licourtrix (talk) 16:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Besides, Arrancar have broken masks. The mask Ichigo wore when he killed Ulquiorra was whole, not broken. 142.26.194.190 (talk) 14:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

His mask changed again. 142.26.194.190 (talk) 14:53, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

This is Ridiculous

I'm just describing the form. How is it original research? I didn't say it IS a hollow form, I only stated that it LOOKS like a hollow. Sure, I said that it is a new FORM, but that's not original research; that's what it seems. However, if you guys disagree that it is NOT a new form, I'll just change it so that it says "...yet-undefined form". Let me give you an example from Ulquiorra Schiffer.

"...and his arrancar uniform appears more form fitting at the top, becoming robe-like towards the bottom."

Here is what I put.

"...eventually defeating him with an as-of-yet undefined new form; this form looks like a hollow"

If the latter is original research, isn't the Ulquiorra part original research as well? Also...

"...Ulquiorra seems unfamiliar with the technique when he uses it in his second release state, unexpectedly missing Ichigo with his first one, however, to compensate, he can produce more should his first miss the target."

How do we know that Ulquiorra "seems" unfamiliar with the technique? What if he was acting? Isn't this original research? Etc. etc.

I hope you see my point. Is describing a(n) object/person/place original research? Seriously.

As a side-note, Collectionian, I wasn't given one WP:OR; you put that message in my talk at around the same time you reverted my edit. Expo377 (talk) 03:52, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

You were given it in the first revert, just without the link. This topic has already been discussed above. Additional reason: this is not a news site, nor the place for chapter by chapter updates. And yes, it is original research because you are basically implying that the form is a hollow. And other bad writing in other articles is not a valid reason to do the same here. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:55, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think typing "rv; not confirmed" for the edit summary is enough to infer that you told me I was using "original research." Also, describing characteristics is being similar to a news site? I'm not describing the whole fight, just the transformation; that's hardly a chapter by chapter update. Anyways, I'm not going to put "looks like a hollow" if you truly insist. However, I'm going to describe its characteristics somewhat in the same fashion as Ulquiorra's transformations were described. That should not be a problem, right? Expo377 (talk) 06:06, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

No...not News refers to doing "up to the minute" updates, including chapter by chapter stuff. And no, neither is a good description. Again, just because another page has bad writing, you don't use it as an excuse to repeat it here. Leave it alone. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 13:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Guys, Ichigo himself says that was his Hollow form, so... it was his Hollow form. 142.26.133.248 (talk) 21:14, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

We already talk about his inner hollow forms, that's enough. 207.80.142.5 (talk)

It's clearly an Arrancar form from what I can see, it's completely different to his Hollow form. In any case, we should wait for official confirmation on exactly what it is before adding any related info. Admeister200x (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC).

Arrancar, or Vasto Lorde? Ichi's new Hollow form's mask isn't broken, like all arrancars' masks are. We'll have to wait and see what Tite Kubo has planned for it (if anything). Who knows? Ichigo could go back to using his old mask the next time he uses his Visored form, or use his new one, or duke it out with his inner Hollow again. We need to wait and see. 142.26.194.190 (talk) 01:17, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Ichigos new form is something that hasnt been seen yet. since he is neither dead nor a hollow it cant be described and therefore shouldnt be put in until kubo elaborates. also when ichigo uses his visored mask, rukia says it looked different then normal. just something for future reference Diablo11d (talk) 03:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Hollow ichigo

i believe we should mention hollow ichigo in here in a separate section than what forms ichigo has. it seems hollow ichigo has a complete different personality than ichigo, and knows how to use ichigo's zanpaktuo better. discuss.DeathBerry talk 15:35, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

That would make it more in-universe the article. It is already mentioned in abilities.Tintor2 (talk) 15:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if the name appeared in the Japanese version, but the new dubbed episode calls the Hollow Ichigo "Kamen" (Mask, in Japanese). Can we add this?Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 05:09, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I think we need a bit more confirmation on something like this. 'It' even having a name has been debatable after all. He says he has no name, then Kubo puts his 'name' as a mirror reverse of Ichi's and now this. DaisukeVulgar (talk) 09:39, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

You forgot to mention during its fight with Ichigo for control of his body it tells him "I am Zangetsu!" at least twice. 142.26.194.190 (talk) 01:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC)