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Should this be merged with White-collared Lemur

I created this stub because I saw it listed under missing mammal species. Groves lists this as a separate species, but IUCN (based on 2008 data) claims it is a synonym of E. albocollaris. If IUCN is correct, then this should just be merged with White-collared Lemur, and the Latin name for the latter species should be updated (with all appropriate redirects). But I am not sure if that is premature in light of MSW. Rlendog (talk) 20:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I support the merge and have suggested it on both articles. Jack (talk) 01:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

According to Mittermeier et al. (2008) E. albocollaris is no longer listed as a species but is instead a junior synonym of E. cinereiceps. Other references follow this change. Jack (talk) 01:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then it looks like its time we conformed. Rlendog (talk) 22:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I want to complete this merger today, but since our (unfortunate) policy is to name pages by the species common name, I need to know which common name should be used - White-collared Lemur, White-collared Brown Lemur, or Gray-headed Lemur. I favor Gray-headed Lemur since the latest Mittermeier, Groves, et al paper lists that as the common name. I feel that the latest publication trumps MSW3, both in terms of scientific and common names. If you have a strong opinion on this, please post a reply soon. –Visionholder (talk) 20:20, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead and make the merge, Mittermeier is a reliable source on modern lemur classification. It has been a long time since MSW3 was published, many taxonomic changes are more modern than the text. Hopefully there will be a new edition soon. Jack (talk) 23:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge complete. Please review for errors. –Visionholder (talk) 02:51, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A misunderstanding here. The English name retained is White-collared (Brown) Lemur (with or without the inclusion of Brown), not the recently made up Gray-headed Lemur, which only gained a level of use after Groves proposed it to be recognized as a separate species in 2001. In other words: White-collared (Brown) Lemur (Eulemur cinereiceps) - as indeed also corretly noted by IUCN http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/full/8205/0 . Likewise, if you check Johnson et al. (2008 - full reference in article), which is the basis for merging the two taxa, you will notice that the only name they use is White-collared, not Gray-headed. 212.10.85.109 (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I missed that you prefer to stick with the name used in Mittermeier et al. However, as noted in the last post, this still means that White-collared Brown Lemur is an alternative name for Eulemur cinereiceps, not just a former name. 212.10.85.109 (talk) 19:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::Go ahead and make the merge, Mittermeier is a reliable source on modern lemur classification. It has been a long time since MSW3 was published, many taxonomic changes are more modern than the text. Hopefully there will be a new edition soon. [[User:Jackhynes|Jack]] ([[User talk:Jackhynes|talk]]) 23:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 ::::Merge complete.  Please review for errors. &ndash;[[User:Visionholder|Visionholder]] ([[User talk:Visionholder|talk]]) 02:51, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
-::::: A misunderstanding here. The English name retained is White-collared (Brown) Lemur (with or without the inclusion of Brown), not the recently made up Gray-headed Lemur, which only gained a level of use after Groves proposed it to be recognized as a separate species in 2001. In other words: White-collared (Brown) Lemur (''Eulemur cinereiceps'') - as indeed also corretly noted by IUCN [http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/8205]. Likewise, if you check Johnson ''et al.'' (2008 - full reference in article), which is the basis for merging the two taxa, you will notice that the only name they use is White-collared, not Gray-headed. [[Special:Contributions/212.10.85.109|212.10.85.109]] ([[User talk:212.10.85.109|talk]]) 19:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
+::::: A misunderstanding here. The English name retained is White-collared (Brown) Lemur (with or without the inclusion of Brown), not the recently made up Gray-headed Lemur, which only gained a level of use after Groves proposed it to be recognized as a separate species in 2001. In other words: White-collared (Brown) Lemur (''Eulemur cinereiceps'') - as indeed also corretly noted by IUCN {{IUCNlink|8205}}. Likewise, if you check Johnson ''et al.'' (2008 - full reference in article), which is the basis for merging the two taxa, you will notice that the only name they use is White-collared, not Gray-headed. [[Special:Contributions/212.10.85.109|212.10.85.109]] ([[User talk:212.10.85.109|talk]]) 19:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 :::::: I missed that you prefer to stick with the name used in Mittermeier ''et al.'' However, as noted in the last post, this still means that White-collared Brown Lemur is an alternative name for ''Eulemur cinereiceps'', not just a former name. [[Special:Contributions/212.10.85.109|212.10.85.109]] ([[User talk:212.10.85.109|talk]]) 19:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)