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:::Don't make me laugh. Yes there's a warming trend, but no, it's not anthropogenic. Massive warming occured only after 1900 according to Mann et al's hockeystick graph, while global carbon level only began to really soar 1950 or thereabouts. One: does carbon take that long to work (the Industrial Revolution was about 1780 I think, and according to the same graph there was a cooling trend UP TO 1900)? And two, the carbon levels spiked AFTER the warming, refuting the theory that the warming trend is anthropogenic. {{unsigned|69.90.55.168}}
:::Don't make me laugh. Yes there's a warming trend, but no, it's not anthropogenic. Massive warming occured only after 1900 according to Mann et al's hockeystick graph, while global carbon level only began to really soar 1950 or thereabouts. One: does carbon take that long to work (the Industrial Revolution was about 1780 I think, and according to the same graph there was a cooling trend UP TO 1900)? And two, the carbon levels spiked AFTER the warming, refuting the theory that the warming trend is anthropogenic. {{unsigned|69.90.55.168}}
:::: As it happens, I agree with the IP editor on the topic of ''human-induced climate change'' (not their way of expressing their opinion). There's enough fishy happenings with scientists being misquoted, scientists being encouraged to "sex it [the claims of human-induced climate change] up", academics who were either opposed to or had expressed no opinion of the theory being bumped off academic review panels (such that only those in favour of the theory get published), and some actual scientific data ''contradicting'' the theory, for me to be one of those horrible human-induced climate change skeptics ;) Having said that, we all have our opinions here and each of those should be respected. Those opinions just have to be expressed in the right way. [[User:SMC|SMC]] ([[User talk:SMC|talk]]) 11:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:::: As it happens, I agree with the IP editor on the topic of ''human-induced climate change'' (not their way of expressing their opinion). There's enough fishy happenings with scientists being misquoted, scientists being encouraged to "sex it [the claims of human-induced climate change] up", academics who were either opposed to or had expressed no opinion of the theory being bumped off academic review panels (such that only those in favour of the theory get published), and some actual scientific data ''contradicting'' the theory, for me to be one of those horrible human-induced climate change skeptics ;) Having said that, we all have our opinions here and each of those should be respected. Those opinions just have to be expressed in the right way. [[User:SMC|SMC]] ([[User talk:SMC|talk]]) 11:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Most scientists believe that anthropogenic global warming is real. Those who don't, are a loud, lunatic fringe, almost always found to be supported in someway by fossil fuel lobbies and other special interests. In other words, they are mostly unscientific, politically-driven, propaganda machines who are trying to push their POV, like the little IP below. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]]
:::::Most scientists believe that anthropogenic global warming is real. Those who don't, are a loud, lunatic fringe, almost always found to be supported in someway by fossil fuel lobbies and other special interests. In other words, they are mostly unscientific, politically-driven, propaganda machines who are trying to push their POV, like the little IP below. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]]([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 11:18, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 11:18, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::: That's one of the major errors alarmists make: consensus does not not nessecarily mean truth. 700 years ago the Earth was flat, was it not? And obviously your argument is refuted by this new hacking, which reveals the biased POV of many SCIENTISTS. I also hate when brave individuals like us are accused of being on the payroll of that bigoted moronic Faux News or oil lobbies. Because objective folk like us are only looking at the evidence, not basing our arguments on EMOTIONAL anti-human hippy sentiment.
:::::: That's one of the major errors alarmists make: consensus does not not nessecarily mean truth. 700 years ago the Earth was flat, was it not? And obviously your argument is refuted by this new hacking, which reveals the biased POV of many SCIENTISTS. I also hate when brave individuals like us are accused of being on the payroll of that bigoted moronic Faux News or oil lobbies. Because objective folk like us are only looking at the evidence, not basing our arguments on EMOTIONAL anti-human hippy sentiment.
:::::: Maybe you're right, maybe not. Supporting opinions don't me too much, really (provided they're not trying to [[Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme|nix a country's economy]], like [[Australia|my country's government..]]); I'm certainly not going to get into some kind of Wikifight over it, which I know would end badly for both parties. Instead, I'll leave you to the "little IP below" ;P [[User:SMC|SMC]] ([[User talk:SMC|talk]]) 11:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::: Maybe you're right, maybe not. Supporting opinions don't me too much, really (provided they're not trying to [[Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme|nix a country's economy]], like [[Australia|my country's government..]]); I'm certainly not going to get into some kind of Wikifight over it, which I know would end badly for both parties. Instead, I'll leave you to the "little IP below" ;P [[User:SMC|SMC]] ([[User talk:SMC|talk]]) 11:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

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Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Talk:Climatic Research Unit e-mail hacking incident ‎, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 10:56, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from attacking other contributors, as you did with this edit to Talk:Climatic Research Unit e-mail hacking incident. Continued personal attacks may lead to being blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Thank you. SMC (talk) 10:57, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fuck, I didn't attack anyone personally, just the anti-human Al Whore alarmists in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.90.55.168 (talkcontribs)
Alarmists? Have you taken a moment to actually look at the state of the world's climate? Go on, look at it. Viriditas (talk) 11:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Don't make me laugh. Yes there's a warming trend, but no, it's not anthropogenic. Massive warming occured only after 1900 according to Mann et al's hockeystick graph, while global carbon level only began to really soar 1950 or thereabouts. One: does carbon take that long to work (the Industrial Revolution was about 1780 I think, and according to the same graph there was a cooling trend UP TO 1900)? And two, the carbon levels spiked AFTER the warming, refuting the theory that the warming trend is anthropogenic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.90.55.168 (talkcontribs)
As it happens, I agree with the IP editor on the topic of human-induced climate change (not their way of expressing their opinion). There's enough fishy happenings with scientists being misquoted, scientists being encouraged to "sex it [the claims of human-induced climate change] up", academics who were either opposed to or had expressed no opinion of the theory being bumped off academic review panels (such that only those in favour of the theory get published), and some actual scientific data contradicting the theory, for me to be one of those horrible human-induced climate change skeptics ;) Having said that, we all have our opinions here and each of those should be respected. Those opinions just have to be expressed in the right way. SMC (talk) 11:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Most scientists believe that anthropogenic global warming is real. Those who don't, are a loud, lunatic fringe, almost always found to be supported in someway by fossil fuel lobbies and other special interests. In other words, they are mostly unscientific, politically-driven, propaganda machines who are trying to push their POV, like the little IP below. Viriditas(talk) 11:18, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's one of the major errors alarmists make: consensus does not not nessecarily mean truth. 700 years ago the Earth was flat, was it not? And obviously your argument is refuted by this new hacking, which reveals the biased POV of many SCIENTISTS. I also hate when brave individuals like us are accused of being on the payroll of that bigoted moronic Faux News or oil lobbies. Because objective folk like us are only looking at the evidence, not basing our arguments on EMOTIONAL anti-human hippy sentiment.
Maybe you're right, maybe not. Supporting opinions don't me too much, really (provided they're not trying to nix a country's economy, like my country's government..); I'm certainly not going to get into some kind of Wikifight over it, which I know would end badly for both parties. Instead, I'll leave you to the "little IP below" ;P SMC (talk) 11:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How much of Australia's economy relies on coal exports? Viriditas (talk) 11:28, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, sorry, I do tend to overboard on expressing my opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.90.55.168 (talkcontribs)