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Welcome!

Hello, JPLogan, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Neuro-linguistic Programming

[....](text removed)Voice of All ^{Talk|@|Esperanza} 17:08, 30 October 2005 (UTC) [reply]

To non-promotional NLP editors

Hello non nlp promotional editors. Progress has been good as regards mediation and they will continue to improve as long as we all stay cool.

Since the article has been well covered and cited, and those citations have been verified multiple times even in mediation, it is time to accept the facts. The mediation requests have been satisfied as regards citations, and there are clearly more to come that can satisfy them further. However, it is clear that some NLP promoters are using whatever tactic they can to antagonize even after statements from the mediator, they try to make it appear that questions have not been answered, to add hyperbole and jargon, and generally confuse conclusive scientific findings by adding minor single and irrelevant speculative NLP studies. They also seem to be attempting to break the 100Kilobite barrier on file size.

The solution is to stay cool, take a harder scientific line (exclude single minor speculative studies) and do not stand for any self-desctructive NLPpromotional nonsense. NLP is about neuro, linguistics (neurolinguistics) and programming. It uses scientific sounding jargon and misplaced concepts in a confusing way, and therefore must be clarified using scientific studies, neurology, psychology and other reliable and neutral sources.

The solid evidence presented has indeed been covered in the archives multiple times. If an NLP promoter insists that they have not had their question answered when it has been covered before, simply stay cool and refer them to the archives.

If an NLP promoter insists that the scientific studies are wrong, or that science is wrong in general, then they are using a pseudoscientific argument, and can be directed to the archives.

If an NLP promoter makes multiple edits in order to make editing harder then simply revert. If it is convenient, try not to delete any valid edits in the process, but if it is not convenient, simply revert the lot.

Do your best to help the mediator as NLP is deliberately very confusing. Provide help with seperating obscurantist jargon from real neurology or psychology, and help with the identification of hype and pseudoscientific argument and NLP excuses.

Considering the rigor of the present article (though the 2000 section still needs checking and making concise) it is clear that further NPOV clarifying and brevifying can occur. Best regards JPLogan 04:25, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration accepted

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Neuro-linguistic programming has been accepted. Please place evidence at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Neuro-linguistic programming/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be made at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Neuro-linguistic programming/Workshop. Fred Bauder 02:52, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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 I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! By the way, please be sure to [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name on talk pages]] using four tildes (~&#126;~~) to produce your name and the current date, or three tildes (&#126;~~) for just your name. If you have any questions, check out [[Wikipedia:Ask a question]] or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome!&nbsp;  [[User:Alai|Alai]] 05:02, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
-== [[Odic force|"kind of energy"]] ==
-Why did you removed the links to [[Odic force|"kind of energy"]] on the NLP article? --[[User:Comaze|Comaze]] 03:37, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
-== Personal attacks ==
-I find this statement offensive, "Perhaps somebody could remove Comaze."  Please remove it. And also read  official policy ([[Wikipedia:No personal attacks]]).
-===Alternatives from [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks]]===
-Instead, try:
-* Discuss the facts and how to express them, not the attributes of the other party. This does ''not'' mean that you have to agree with the other person, but just [[agree to disagree]].
-* Never suggest a view is invalid simply because of who its proponent is.
-* Explore issues in a less public forum like e-mail if a debate threatens to become personal.
-* Read [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution]].
-:--[[User:Comaze|Comaze]] 00:09, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
-== Deletion of facts (Neuro-linguistic Programming) ==
-JPLogan, you just accused me of deleting facts in your edit comments, see here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neuro-linguistic_programming&diff=25557682&oldid=25557255]. When I did not remove any facts at all. Could you please give me more information on how I deleted facts. best regards, --[[User:Comaze|Comaze]] 03:40, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
-Comaze.  You have deleted more facts than any other editor I have ever met on wikipedia.  You have acted with a flagrant disregard for NPOV on more occasions than I have even visited wikipedia.  If you don't know when you are deleting facts, you should not be editing at all.[[User:JPLogan|JPLogan]] 04:24, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
-With regard to the NLP article, maybe check out [[Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming/FT2]] for a possible proposed approach to the loggerheads and flames? [[User:FT2|FT2]] 08:30, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
-== A fresh start. ==
-I've removed the sockpuppet warning on your page. Because I no longer suspect that you are an impersonator of HeadleyDown. My appologies for this misunderstanding. I also want to call a truce with you, and hope start fresh with a effort to entertain a professional / scholarly discussion. From what you have written, I suspect that you have a great deal of knowledge in the area of ethics and counseling, and would be a great resource to the wikipedia effort to produce high quality articles. I hope that we can put our content disputes behind us. I suspect that a good deal of knowledge on ethics in counseling and ethics and your input would be invaluable given the proper will, context and environment. best regards, --[[User:Comaze|Comaze]] 06:10, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 == [[Neuro-linguistic Programming]] ==
 '''<font color="darkred"> [....](text removed)</font>'''[[User:Voice of All(MTG)|'''<font color="blue">Voice<font color=darkblue> of <font color=black>All''']] <sup><small>[[user_talk:Voice_of_All(MTG)|<font color=blue>Talk</font>]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Voice of All(MTG)|@]]|[[WP:EA|<font color=darkred>Esperanza</font>]]</sup></Sup></font> 17:08, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
-Your last revert [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neuro-linguistic_programming&diff=26757967&oldid=26756582] had misleading comments, and added misleading content to wikipedia (Morgan). regards, --[[User:Comaze|Comaze]] 02:24, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
 ==To non-promotional NLP editors==
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-==NPOV and NLP==
-Your revert [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neuro-linguistic_programming&diff=27126028&oldid=27119616 here] just reverted the intro to a POV version. The intro should report the NLP point of view using the words of NLP folks, not use critics of NLP to explain what NLP thinks it is, and why it is so wrong. Please review NPOV as explained on teh talk page. [[User:FuelWagon|FuelWagon]] 02:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
-== Personal remarks ==
-Please withdraw your personal remarks [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Neuro-linguistic_programming&diff=27677439&oldid=27635824]. --[[User:Comaze|Comaze]] 02:35, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
-==Arbitration==
-JPLogan,
-A complaint has been made against you in regard to the [[Nuero-linguistic programming]] article, with a request for arbitration. The basis of the case is that you are either a [[WP:SOCK|sock puppet]], or otherwise involved with significant breach of wikipedia policy and disruption to that article.
-The request can be found at: [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Neuro-linguistic_programming:_Users_HeadleyDown.2C_JPLogan.2C_DaveRight.2C_Bookmain.2C__and_suspected_further_sock-puppets_or_cronies_AMaulden.2C_JaseC.2C_HansAntel.2C_AliceDeGrey|Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration]]
-[[User:FT2|FT2]]
 ==Arbitration accepted==
 [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Neuro-linguistic programming]] has been accepted. Please place evidence at [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Neuro-linguistic programming/Evidence]]. Proposals and comments may be made at [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Neuro-linguistic programming/Workshop]]. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 02:52, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
-== Personal remark ==
-Your recent edit that described my contributions as nonsense is considered a personal attack under wikipedia policy. This is after a direct request to stop these kind of attacks. This will be presented to arbitration, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Neuro-linguistic_programming&diff=30890331&oldid=30888871 diff]. I urge you to co-operate. --[[User:Comaze|Comaze]] 12:17, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
-== Warning:ownership of page and personal remarks ==
-You recently stated, "Ignoring [Comaze] seems to be working". This confirms that you are trying to "own" the article, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Neuro-linguistic_programming&diff=32050824&oldid=32048673 recent post]. It also contains personal remarks directed at me. --[[User:Comaze|Comaze]] 03:00, 20 December 2005 (UTC)