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Problems

This is a problematic draft article. It gives the impression that there exists a single standard clothing size in each of the listed countries, and that a simple table is sufficient to convert between these sizes. It is not that easy.

There are lots of other things that need work on this article:

it should use tables, not bullet lists
it should provide a source for the quoted data
it should not simply copy the list of external links from the EN 13402 article, which are mostly not relevant to this article
the word "international" in the article title is redundant
the use of title case in headings violates the Wikipedia Manual of Style.

I actually don't think that Wikipedia should aim to provide a simple conversion table, as they are all necessarily flawed. What would be helpful would be descriptions of how to convert between body dimensions and particular national sizes, but only with adequate references. Markus Kuhn 09:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It does provide a a good general rule of thump, but yeah... fixing up stuff needed by "somebody". Mathmo ^Talk 06:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, iv corrected the information in this article. It now fits with the generally agreed standards that i could find on fashion websites. Iv also made it very clear that this is a rough guide only in the opening section. 82.3.151.246 14:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Men's shoe sizes not correct

I'm no expert here, but I do know that English size 8 is size 42 in continental Europe. This table can't be right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pawebster (talk • contribs) 06:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC) Size[reply]

Chest Size (in Inches)

Chest Size (in cm)

Waist Size (in Inches)

Waist Size (in cm)

Jacket Length (in inches)

Jacket Length (in cm)

Sleeve Length (in inches)

Sleeve Length (in cm) S 36

92

32

81

30

76

18

46 M 38

97

34

87

31

79

19

48 L 40

102

36

92

32

81

20

51 XL 42

107

38

97

33

84

21

53 XXL 44

112

40

102

34

87

22

56 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.189.67.55 (talk) 17:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Women's clothing sizes

I've noticed that a UK size 4 is a US size 2, yet on the size zero page it says that a UK size 4 is a US size 0. That doesn't seem right.. well, to me at least. Is it supposed to be that way or..?

A UK size 4 is actually more like a US size 00 in terms of measurements. The measurement for a UK size 4 are roughly 30-23-32, I cannot believe the US could have 1-2 sizes smaller than those measurements. Size 4 is the UK's smallest size, in fact it's very hard to find. You can find plenty of US size 0's and 2's, so a UK size 4 has to be more like a US size 00. It's just common sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dee26 (talk • contribs) 00:09, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Something wrong?

There must be something wrong. On the German Wikipedia site it is mentioned that Italian sizes are 3 numbers higher than the German ones. Meaning a German 38 is an Italian 44.^[1]

This is a German 38: Bust 86-89 cm / Waist: 70-73 cm / Hip: 96-98 cm^[2]

With an average height of 164 to 170 cm.

And that would be 12 at the bust, 9 at the waist, 14 at the hips. Seems to me that these girls and sizes defer somewhat ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.158.158.155 (talk) 15:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Women's clothing sizes

A couple of month's ago, it was on the news that all European sizes became one size bigger (ie. 36 became 34, 40 became 38 etc) so a European 34 is now a USA size 0. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.116.1.128 (talk) 08:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Men size - Europe vs. UK/US

So far I've only seen meseurments in numbers. However (most) stores operates with S, M, L, XL and so forth, even in Europe. Is this kind of marking the same messurments in both Europe, UK and US? --84.202.208.245 (talk) 18:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Women's clothing sizes - External link

Hi I added a link to www.knowmysize.net/advice/sizes.aspx which is an informational page comparing the sizes of UK high street stores showing where they differ from EN 13402. It is not a sales or promotional page and performs a similar function to the other external links. The difference being they are generalised US pages where as my link was to help UK buyers to understand the differences between the stores they do/can shop in. Can this link be reinstated? --KnowMYsize (talk) 17:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Men's clothing sizes from the US Army

Men's clothing sizes were standardized by the US Army to permit purchasing contracts. More references would be needed to add this to the article.--DThomsen8 (talk) 12:46, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the tables there really ought to be units somewhere,...

32 5 2 6 mean nothing on their own, please can somewhere put another 2 rows or columns into the tables labelled (metric cm ) and (imperial inch) so a clear conversion can be made using the table between a non arbituary units like cm which any can measure using a ruler and arbitary nuits that all the bloody shops and this artical seem to use. Its really important to include units people!!! otherwise you're leaving dimensions open to interpretation. Which is plain bad, why does it take a physicist to have to come along and clear this all up???

Length unit

Sizing systems also differ in what units of measurement they use. This also results in different increments between shoe sizes because usually, only "full" or "half" sizes are made.

The following length units are commonly used today to define shoe-size systems:

The Paris point equals to ⅔ centimetres (6.6 mm or ~0.26 in). Usually, only full sizes are made, resulting in an increment of ⅔ centimetre. This unit is commonly used in Continental Europe.
The barleycorn is an old English unit that equals to ⅓ inch (8.46 mm). Half sizes are commonly made, resulting in an increment of 1⁄6 inch (4.23 mm). This unit is the base for the English and the U.S. sizing system.
Further, metric measurements in centimetres (cm) or millimetres (mm) are used. The increment is usually 0.5 cm (5 mm or ~0.20 in), which is between the step size of the Parisian and the English system. It is used with the international Mondopoint system and with the Asian system.

[1] ttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konfektionsgr%C3%B6%C3%9Fe#Umrechnung_internationaler_Gr.C3.B6.C3.9Fen

[2] ttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konfektionsgr%C3%B6%C3%9Fe#Damen

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 The following length units are commonly used today to define shoe-size systems:
-    * The Paris point equals to ⅔ centimetres (6.6 mm or ~0.26 in). Usually, only full sizes are made, resulting in an increment of ⅔ centimetre. This unit is commonly used in Continental Europe.
+* The Paris point equals to ⅔ centimetres (6.6 mm or ~0.26 in). Usually, only full sizes are made, resulting in an increment of ⅔ centimetre. This unit is commonly used in Continental Europe.
-    * The barleycorn is an old English unit that equals to ⅓ inch (8.46 mm). Half sizes are commonly made, resulting in an increment of 1⁄6 inch (4.23 mm). This unit is the base for the English and the U.S. sizing system.
+* The barleycorn is an old English unit that equals to ⅓ inch (8.46 mm). Half sizes are commonly made, resulting in an increment of 1⁄6 inch (4.23 mm). This unit is the base for the English and the U.S. sizing system.
-    * Further, metric measurements in centimetres (cm) or millimetres (mm) are used. The increment is usually 0.5 cm (5 mm or ~0.20 in), which is between the step size of the Parisian and the English system. It is used with the international Mondopoint system and with the Asian system.
+* Further, metric measurements in centimetres (cm) or millimetres (mm) are used. The increment is usually 0.5 cm (5 mm or ~0.20 in), which is between the step size of the Parisian and the English system. It is used with the international Mondopoint system and with the Asian system.