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I found an English page on daime-datami. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 07:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. bamse (talk) 09:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Copyediting

Hi Bamse! I've looked at the lead of List of National Treasures of Japan (paintings) and see that it needs a little polishing. Should be able to start working on it tomorrow, or the weekend, at the latest. Thanks for your patience. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi Truthkeeper88! Glad that you are going to polish the lead. bamse (talk) 17:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I moved the text here to my sandbox to work on, but it's being copyedited at the moment, so I'll wait until that effort is finished, although I've redone the first paragraph. It's a beautiful list! Truthkeeper88 (talk) 21:57, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Looks good already. I'll wait until you are done with copyediting and will have a closer look then. PS: BTW, next copyediting job, in the far away future, could be List of National Treasures of Japan (shrines) unless you got bored with all this Japanese stuff ;-) bamse (talk) 22:20, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I always enjoy reading your articles. My copyediting is slow because I want to do justice to the nice work you produce, so don't worry, I'm not bored. Part of the reason for being a wiki editor is to learn! (Also thanks for the link to peer review of List of National Treasures of Japan (paintings)). I'll incorporate those changes. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 17:36, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I've gone through the first four paragraphs. Don't know what you want to do about the fifth -- if you separate into a new section, I'll wait and work on that later. Unfortunatly I'm still not feeling as well as I'd like (had H1N1) and won't get back to this until later tonight or tomorrow. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 18:12, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

You deserve a rest! I'll go through the text in your sandbox now and will fix a few minor typos and add a reference. Hope it is ok if I edit in your sandbox. The fifth paragraph I would not want to separate into a section. It somehow explains the article's title and belongs to the lead in my opinion. During the FAC of List of National Treasures of Japan (sculptures) it was not a problem either. Hope you recover fast. All the best! bamse (talk) 20:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't mind if you work in my sandbox. I'm mostly fine now, but run out of energy very quickly. Apparently it takes 3 weeks to recover from this virus, which I didn't believe at first, but do now! Anyway, I think keeping the fifth paragraph as part of the lead is good. All I've done is tightened the text which was mainly fine. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 22:11, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Better now! I've finally finished the 5th paragraph, but have a question about this sentence: "This list presents 157 entries of paintings from Classical to early modern Japan of the 8th-century Nara period to the 19th-century Edo period." If it means the 8th century Nara period is Classical and 19th century Edo is early modern, but I'm not sure of the meaning here, so thought I'd ask. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Exactly Nara period is part of classical Japan and Edo period is also called "early modern Japan". Have a look here for an overview of the periods. The first section (lead) looks perfect to me (thanks). Are you planning to change anything there or shall we copy it to the article? How about the statistics and usage sections? bamse (talk) 00:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Let me just flip that sentence right now and then you can copy the lead. Haven't gotten to the stats & usage yet. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:50, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem, take your time. I'll have a nap now and will copy the lead later, unless you prefer to do it. bamse (talk) 00:53, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

No, I'll let you do it! It's done now. I have to go back and look at the comments from the peer review and then will finish the stats & usage. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:56, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Two more questions. This sentence from "Usage" (Present location: "building-name temple/museum/shrine-name town-name prefecture-name") needs some punctuation rather than slashes and dashes, but I'm not sure how to punctuate. Also, does the column called "Author" refer to the artist? If so, that should be indicated somewhere. Otherwise, I'm done. I tested the table by clicking the button on the first column and now hope I haven't messed it up! Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Not sure how to punctuate either. All I wanted to say is that there are up to 4 items in the "Present location" column: (1) name of the building (if applicable), (2) name of the temple or museum or shrine (as applicable), (3) name of the town, (4) prefecture name. In the table they appear from small to big: 1, 2, 3, 4. However the column sorts from big to small: 4 3 2 1. In the featured sculpture list, the sentence in the "Usage" section is the same, so maybe it can be left as is. The column "Author" contains the artist and in some cases the person who wrote an inscription on it. If the latter can be called an artist, the column name could be changed to "Artist". I'll copy the lead now and add a note about the author column on your sandbox.bamse (talk) 11:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I copied all three sections (lead, statitics, usage) from your sandbox to the article. Hope that was ok. Thanks a lot for the copyedit. Are you available (and willing) for copyedit in the near future if there are issues during WP:FLC (should not be too much)? If you are busy at the moment I could postpone the candidacy to a later time.bamse (talk) 12:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'm happy to copyedit for the WP:FLC. Thanks for asking about my schedule. I'll be mostly unavailable the week of November 21st to 27th. Otherwise, depends on work. Early to mid-December tends to be busy at work, but would be available in the evenings. Most likely will be unavailable for Wikipedia the last week of December (but not certain yet). My inclination is to say try to get it done sooner rather than later. I will have some time available that week in late November; certainly more than this month when I was unavailable for an entire week. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 23:39, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Just nominated it. Comments should appear here.bamse (talk) 00:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Graphics lab requests

See the Graphics lab for an update. -- penubag  (talk) 09:31, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I have readded the stamp File:Portrait of Kanzan-no text-.jpg . -- penubag  (talk) 09:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Is this what you wanted?

Focused on right

Focused on far right

Focused on center
-- penubag  (talk) 10:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Perfect! Thanks. bamse (talk) 10:44, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

original left focus right focus
original left focus right focus
original center right and left top

Okay! Here they are. Just ask if you have any more requests/concerns; I'll be happy to help. Japan really is fascinating. I've been there several years myself and I wish I could stay longer. -- penubag  (talk) 07:33, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I hope I did these correctly: -- penubag  (talk) 23:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Perfect (as usual)! Thanks. bamse (talk) 09:16, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

secton break

original right center left

Okay, finished those too. Open a dedicated focusing request page? Other people already made me do that! see user:penubag/graphics, although I would prefer we just do this through talkpages as I haven't finished all the requests there yet. I'm happy to help with more focusing requests; so just keep them coming :). I would be glad to teach you how to focus. Do you have GIMP (free download) or Photoshop? If not you can try using http://www.splashup.com/ although I haven't really tried it too much. -- penubag  (talk) 09:37, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the new pictures. (the main tower on the right was not really necessary). I have GIMP but virtually no experience with layers which I believe is what you used. bamse (talk) 09:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Question re: Shrines

Hi Bamse! I may have a little time to get started tomorrow, but I have a question about this phrase: "The origins of Shinto, the natural spirituality of Japan..." Does "naturally" refer to the fact that Shinto is a religion based on nature? As worded, the sentence means Shinto is a religion normal to Japan, but I'm not sure that's what you want. Can you clarify? Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:51, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Glad you got some time. I stole the phrase from the Shinto article. In my understanding "natural spirituality" could have two meanings: 1. nature worship and 2. the religion that is native to Japan (as opposed to Buddhism which was imported).

For the purpose of the lead section, I'd tend to the second meaning. The first meaning is explained anyway in the sentences that follow it. Did this clarify things? bamse (talk) 08:43, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I thought. In fact, though I'm thinking the paragraph should be recast to begin with "shrines" as the subject of the list, rather than shintoism. At any rate, it's in my sandbox, and I'm working on it slowly. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 14:30, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree that it would be good to have "shrines" somewhere in the beginning of the introduction. However initially (in Yayoi period) Shintoism was not an established "religion" and did not have buildings for worship (=shrines) etc.

I followed your copy-edits in the "Japanese art sandbox" and agree with (and like) most of them. Only, "During this period the prevailing religion was Shinto..." needs to be modified. As far as I know, it is considered a "religion" some time around the introduction of Buddhism (mid 6th century). Also "prevailing" can be confusing as there was nothing besides nature spirituality/worship at that time in Japan.bamse (talk) 16:17, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay thanks for the clarification. Have only made some preliminary changes so far, and unfortunately have family obligations beginning later today that will keep me busy for the next few days. But at least I've started, and will work on it slowly. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 20:04, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Take your time. The new start of the intro is better. The Shinto article calls the early beliefs of the Yayoi period "primal Shinto", so maybe this little word ("primal") could be added to distinguish it from the religion Shinto which developed later.bamse (talk) 22:05, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

FYI: Added questions/comments to the sandbox user page here. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 15:18, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Let me know how you think it reads. I've been through a couple of time and can't find much else to fix. The only problem is I'm assuming I'm missing some content without knowing the Japanese terms so hope I haven't made any glaring (or not glaring) mistakes. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 20:10, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Amazing job! Reads very nicely. Thanks a lot. Just two questions/suggestions:

1. In the sentence: "Three important forms of ancient shrine architectural styles exist: taisha-zukuri, shinmei-zukuri and sumiyoshi-zukuri; respectively exemplified by Izumo Taisha, Nishina Shinmei Shrine and Sumiyoshi Taisha each dating prior to 552.", does the "each" refer to the styles ("zukuri") or the shrines? Because of reconstructions the present shrine buildings are much younger. The present buildings however are stylistically similar to the original buildings which were constructed before 552.
2. "Of these, the nagare-zukuri was the most popular followed by the kasuga-zukuri style." This statement is still true. Maybe, "was"->"have been"?bamse (talk) 21:50, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Both sentences were ones I wasn't certain of, so I happy you found the errors. I've fixed the first sentence. The second sentence is the same as in the article (I haven't edited it because I was a little unsure of what to do). Should it say that "nagare-zukuri continues to be more popular than kasuga-zukuri"? Truthkeeper88 (talk) 22:41, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix. "Continues" sounds good for the second sentence. bamse (talk) 22:49, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the second sentence. Hope it's correct. Don't hesitate to fix any discrepancies or problems with content. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 23:01, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Perfect! I pasted it into the article.bamse (talk) 23:16, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I will nominate the shrine list at WP:FLC as soon as the painting list gets (hopefully) promoted to featured list.bamse (talk) 10:21, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Oslo Metro

Hi. Not quite sure if this request is kosher, so please excuse me if I am being a bit blunt, but: Could you do something at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Oslo Metro lines/archive1. I have addressed all your and other people's comments, and the nomination is sort of just hanging there. Thanks, Arsenikk ^(talk) 14:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I had forgotten about the list. Thanks for the patience with all my questions and congratulations to the list. I "support" it now. bamse (talk) 15:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

List of National Treasures of Japan (castles)

Hi Bamse! For some reason I keep getting a WP error & don't know whether my browser/internet/ or wikipedia is at fault, but need to stop now, as I've three times lost substantial changes. Managed to work through most of the lead, but it needs going through again. As usual, I'm a bit worried about any possible content changes, so have a look at the changes and let me know if anything should be reverted. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 16:38, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I am sorry that you lost your work. As usual I am satisfied with your edits. Comments/suggestions/questions follow:

1. "Archetypical Japanese castle construction began in the Momoyama period and early Edo period." Since there were not really any castles constructed after the early Edo period, the word "began" should be changed.
2. The dates for the construction of Azuchi Castle (1576 to 1579) got lost during the edits and should be put back.

Just a second, to be continued... bamse (talk) 17:16, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

3. "However, Azuchi functioned as political, cultural and economic center; and was also home to the daimyo, his family, and his most loyal retainers." The functions are typical not only for Azuchi castle but also for those built after Azuchi castle ("the new castles" that are the subject of this list).

4. "Currently only twelve castles have a donjon that is considered "original".", could sound as if in the future there are going to be more than 12 (which is unlikely).

That's it for now. Could you also have a look over List_of_National_Treasures_of_Japan_(castles)#Statistics? Thanks. bamse (talk) 17:50, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, the problem is continuing, though I've managed (with difficulty) to get in the above changes. Will need to do some troubleshooting, but for now I don't seem to be able to edit in the sandbox. I'd hoped to get both articles done today, because I'll be busy at my real (i.e. paying) job beginning tomorrow and lasting for the next week. Unfortunately quite a few edits were lost today. The lesson is to save each edit! Truthkeeper88 (talk) 19:33, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

No problem if you continue later, next week or whenever you have time again. I appreciate your effort. Had a look over 1.-4. again and with the changes you made it is perfectly correct. bamse (talk) 22:44, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Finished what I began earlier--on a different computer. Clearly I had mangled the 2nd paragraph, but should be better now. (Btw -- hope you don't mind that I split the first long paragraph into two.) Also worked somewhat on the Statistics section. At this point it's only a question of minor tweaking/smoothing so probably fine to go ahead and copy into the article/list where I can tweak slightly as I have time. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:09, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I almost forgot to copy it into the article (done now). Looks better with the split. Thanks for the good work already. Please let me know when you are done with tweaking. To me it already looks veryvery good.bamse (talk) 02:09, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Tweaked a little more. The passive construction had to be removed prior to review. Done now. Sorry, am very brain tired at the moment, but will continue to check in nightly. Once things slow down a bit, will begin the next article. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:30, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you and take your time. The painting list just received the second review and now there are already the shrine and castle list waiting in line. Extrapolating, you have time until mid February or so before we run out of candidates for FLC. As for passive constructions, should they always be avoided? I could pay attention during writing n this case. bamse (talk) 09:15, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Japanese residences....

Thanks for the update on the Japanese residences. I haven't been very active recently, but it's good to know that things are still happening!

Peace and Passion ☮  ("I'm listening....") 01:32, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of tallest buildings in Oakland, California/archive1

Hi, and thanks for your review of this list. Can you revisit it to make sure your concerns have been resolved? Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 22:55, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of unreleased Michael Jackson material/archive1 too, thanks. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Done...and...done.bamse (talk) 00:07, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

List of National Treasures of Japan (residences)

Have a look, but I think I'm done. If you think it's fine, go ahead and copy. If I see any problems I'll tweak once copied. (Btw--sorry about the error with the verb in the paintings lead! Very embarrassing not to have seen that!) If it still needs work before copying, let me know. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 22:19, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. It looks very good. I copied it into the article.bamse (talk) 09:40, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Bamse! Just so you know, I'll be mostly gone until the beginning of January. Will be available for limited editing for the next week, and then off line for about ten days. I've eliminated "additive terms" from the Paintings lead as per this from User:Tony1's page. Some useful information there, and when I return would like to comb through the Chiquitos article again. Enjoy the holidays! Truthkeeper88 (talk) 16:43, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy holidays and thanks for all the edits! See you back in 2010. bamse (talk) 17:12, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Christmas barnstar

I wanted to give one person a barnstar so I saw your name at random at WP:AN.

		The Christmas Barnstar
		Awarded to a fellow Wikipedian who I don't know but saw his or her name. Merry Christmas. Fröhliche Weihnachten und ein glückliches Neues Jahr Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 23:33, 14 December 2009 (UTC)|} Issue w/German sources Hi. You may be able to help out w/the deletion discussion at this page. Many thanks.--68.173.96.196 (talk) 17:39, 17 December 2009 (UTC)