User talk:Vecrumba

You deserve this to balance out Anonimu and Anittas. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  03:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)]]

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Re : Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Eastern European mailing list

This arbitration case has been closed, and the final decision may be viewed at the link above.

• User:Piotrus resigned the administrator tools during the case proceedings and may only seek to regain adminship by a new request for adminship or by request to the Arbitration Committee.
• User:Piotrus is banned for three months. At the conclusion of his ban, a one year topic ban on articles about Eastern Europe, their talk pages, and any related process discussion, widely construed, shall take effect.
• User:Digwuren is banned for one year. He is directed to edit Wikipedia from only a single user account, and advise the Arbitration Committee of the name of the account that he will use. Should he not advise the committee by the end of the one year ban, he will remain indefinitely banned until a single account is chosen.
• User:Digwuren is placed on a one year topic ban on articles about Eastern Europe, their talk pages, and any related process discussion, widely construed. This shall take effect following the expiration of both above mentioned bans.
• The following users are topic banned from articles about Eastern Europe, their associated talk pages, and any process discussion about same, widely construed, for one year:

• User:Biruitorul, User:Dc76, User:Martintg, User:Miacek, User:Radeksz, User:Vecrumba, User:Tymek

• User:Jacurek is topic banned from articles about Eastern Europe, their associated talk pages, and any process discussion about same, widely construed, for six months.
• User:Tymek is strongly admonished for having shared his account password. He is directed to keep his account for his own exclusive use, and not to allow any other person to use it under any circumstance.
• The editors sanctioned above (Piotrus, Digwuren, Martintg, Tymek, Jacurek, Radeksz, Dc76, Vecrumba, Biruitorul, Miacek) are prohibited from commenting on or unnecessarily interacting with Russavia on any page of Wikipedia, except for purposes of legitimate and necessary dispute resolution.
• All the participants to the mailing list are strongly admonished against coordinating on-wiki behavior off-wiki and directed to keep discussion of editing and dispute resolution strictly on wiki and in public. All editors are reminded that the editorial process and dispute resolution must take place on Wikipedia itself, using the article talk pages and project space for this purpose. No discussion held off-wiki can lead to a valid consensus, the basis of our editorial process. Off-wiki coordination is likely to lead to echo chambers where there is a false appearance of neutrality and consensus.

For the Arbitration Committee, Mailer Diablo 17:41, 22 December 2009 (UTC) - Discuss this

A little bit of advice

Using italics, bold, and underlining in the same paragraph is generally frowned upon. It is considered acceptable to choose one form of emphasis and stick to it, but only if you use it sparingly. Mixing and matching all three is like wearing a plaid shirt with plaid pants. Viriditas (talk) 16:12, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I only emphasize in plaid when it appears I need to when individuals are missing the point. (I use wikEd precisely because it supports all the nuances of plaid I employ.) Besides, those who have known me longer have come to expect it. Alas, it appears my shortcomings as a fashion plate not only extend to my literary style but are likely to continue. Enjoy the holidays.  PЄTЄRS VЄСRUМВА ►talk  14:06, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Understood. I'm glad you took my criticism in stride, as it was meant to be somewhat humorous. As for your "literary style", I find your prose quality to be second to none, and greatly admire it. You're an excellent writer. Viriditas (talk) 03:15, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for that. Hopefully you'll find that if you consider what I have to say and why and less on labels others have chosen to stick on my forehead to further their editorial agenda you'll find I'm not here to "push" anything. More generally speaking, as when I was at times "outnumbered" ("consensus"-wise) editing on Transnistria where two paid sock-puppeteering propagandists were involved, it doesn't matter how many of some so-called consensus show up as long as you focus on the editorial position being espoused and deal with the interpretation and presentation of sources: is the source reputable? is it being represented fairly and accurately? :-)  PЄTЄRS VЄСRUМВА ►talk  15:52, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Jstor

I noticed you said you pay for Jstor articles. I have access to Jstor and could help with research if you need it. MBisanz ^talk 21:16, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Technically I have access too, but only at NYPL in the city, not at my local Brooklyn library, and at NYPL I can only get printed (paid for, I think it was $1/page) copies. I'll definitely keep your offer in mind, much appreciated!  PЄTЄRS VЄСRUМВА ►talk  21:33, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Mass killings under Communist regimes

I have made a request for clarification about whether Mass killings under Communist regimes and similar articles are included under the EEML topic ban. If you would like to reply, my query is posted at [1]. The Four Deuces (talk) 01:43, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

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Your recent edits to EE-related topics

Vecrumba, it has been brought to my attention per e-mail that you have arguably violated your arbitral topic ban from Eastern Europe-related subjects and discussions (WP:EEML#Vecrumba topic banned) by your recent edits at [2], [3] and [4]. I would appreciate any statement that you might want to make about this.  Sandstein  22:31, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Dear Sandstein:

1. I corrected a mistake of my own which had Kaupo on the wrong side based on a source which was erroneous. The dawn of the 13th century is far removed from the area of EE geopolitical conflict, and the correction was completely unrelated to anything Russian/Soviet, or indeed Russian contemporary with that time. If this edit is strictly off limits, my sincerest apologies, it did not even cross my mind that a simple fix to my own mistake on an 800-year-old event unrelated to Russian-Baltic relations (of any manner) posed an issue.
2. I thanked an editor generally perceived to be an antagonist of mine for following up on my question on an article which has clearly been an area of bad blood. Note that I indicated the information would assist (other) editors (as I would not be participating at the article). I do not expect my ban to mandate rude conduct on my part, that is, to forbid expressing thanks to an editor. I have always stated I am glad to engage in good faith with any editor based on a discussion of reputable sources. That includes publicly thanking those editors when they contribute positively regardless of perceptions of "sides." I believe positive public communication and courteous conduct across the alleged battle lines is in keeping with appropriate collegial Wiki-conduct. I should also make it clear that, obviously, I did not consider Pantherskin's answer as baiting me in any way to elicit a response. I strongly feel my public expression of goodwill was not only appropriate but necessary.
3. Another change had been made to Aspic and I had not noticed that I had not put in the Latvian name for it, which is very similar to Polish. I'm quite flummoxed that someone has complained about this although Russavia did immediately accuse me of gross violation of my topic ban. (Of course, anyone could have contacted you regarding my conduct, I'm not speculating it was Russavia.) When Russavia did accuse me, I did ask in that same thread if this could possibly be a violation. It has/was not been identified as such, so I had considered it closed. Indeed it was suggested, not by myself, to Russavia that it would be better for them to drop the topic. So, again, I'm rather taken aback as this was already publicly discussed and settled.

You will note I've been keeping busy at Soon and Baliunas controversy and Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Comparison between Roman and Han Empires. Controversial topics can always benefit from an editorial perspective based on representing reputable sources in a fair and accurate manner. I hope this suitably addresses your concerns.  PЄTЄRS VЄСRUМВА ►talk  04:33, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

P.S. I detest doing diffs as I associate them with attempts to control content by attacking editors. That said, if you do require diffs to anything I've mentioned, please feel free to ask and I'll insert the appropriate Wiki-links.  PЄTЄRS VЄСRUМВА ►talk  04:41, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your statement. Nonetheless, regardless of their nature or subject, or the reason you had for making them, the edits relate to the topic of Eastern Europe (which is what you are banned from, not just Russia-Baltic relations) and violate your topic ban. I'd appreciate a link to the discussion that you say has taken place regarding the Aspic diff, and I'd like to know whether you intend to continue making similar edits.  Sandstein  06:39, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

(od) Hello Sandstein. I apologize in advance for the bad mood I find myself while doing diffs.

First of all, if an editor has an issue with me, I request they file an enforcement request and not solicit admins off-Wiki to act as their proxy to lodge their complaints. We had Dojarca lobbying Hiberniantears as their proxy, then Offliner lobbying Jehochman as their proxy. I have the utmost respect for your own conduct in this brouhaha, I would prefer not to consider you as acting as proxy on behalf of a combative complainant who wishes to stay out of the limelight and to put the stamp of admin approval on their complaint regarding my conduct. (And I believe you were picked with an agenda in mind based on perceptions of your even-handedness, not to mention the whole Offliner and my Email to you unpleasantness.)

In reviewing past threads, I would also request that when I ask questions of ArbCom that I not be lectured as to appropriate conduct going forward by editors who filed evidence against me which, IMHO, only substantiated their own disruptive conduct in terms of provocative, insulting, and otherwise disruptive edits.

Working backwards:

Regarding Aspic

• Russavia responds to my queries as if they are in charge and accuses me of violating my ban at Aspic
• my terse response
• Carcharoth provides a constructive and helpful response and, to Rusavia: "Russavia, I would suggest not getting involved in this."
• Note Carcharoth's additional clarification that any questions are to be handled through clarification/enforcement
• I thank Carcharoth, noting that I still require some clarification
• And I ask for clarification on the Aspic article, as it is a food article and not about EE (this is December 29th)

There's been no response from Arbcom, so, as I indicated, being that a week has passed, I thought it was closed.

Regarding Lia Looveer and my thanks to Pantherskin

I am sure they woulld confirm that we tend to see things more different than alike—nevertheless I respect their editorial POV because it tends to be based on sources which can then be discussed. I considered thanking them off-Wiki, however, that was not plausible as that might lead to discussion of article content off-Wiki which I have taken as being discouraged, so at that point, whether I responded to them at the article talk or on their user talk, it was likely I was going to be accused of violating the ban. If you believe I should be pilloried for an act of good faith, I would hope you nevertheless respect my position on this.

On the article correction. I re-read Carcharoth's helpful response and reverted my correction as I can see where, even though unrelated to the area of conflict, this falls under widely construed.

Finally, you already informed me you consider all three edits to have violated my topic ban. I do not, but that is not material at this point. That was quite sufficient. And so I find your subsequent inquiry as to "I'd like to know whether you intend to continue making similar edits" both derogatory and insulting as it implies I'm a disruptive asshole intent on pushing the limits of my topic ban. If you did not mean it that way, my apologies that it is the way I take it after the manner in which I have been treated.

Again, in the future, should anyone wish to accuse me of violations of conduct, I expect them to file an enforcement request as themselves and not shield themselves in anonymity. Your indulging such a request only encourages off-Wiki conflict waging in the future. As we are laying ground rules, what I would have expected is for you to respond to the complainant to tell them to file an enforcement request, where you could then respond appropriately. I trust that any future accusations and resolution thereof will be done in the open. Please do not take my response or tone personally, however, the way this accusation regarding my conduct originated and was handled tastes like a continuation of the conflict and not moving forward in good faith.  PЄTЄRS VЄСRUМВА ►talk  01:18, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I would normally ask users to file enforcement requests instead of e-mailing me, but the user at issue has a legitimate reason for not doing so. Any conflicts you may have had with others, though, are irrelevant to my request for comment, which is only about your own edits. I take it that your correction [5] means that you will not make similar ban-infringing edits in the future, and so no enforcement is required at this time. You are warned, though, that all edits relating to Eastern Europe, not only those relating to Russia-Baltic relations, fall under your ban. This warning is logged on the case page. Please also consider that in the event of any uncertainty about the ban's scope, you should assume that the edit in question is subject to the ban, unless and and until you receive clear advice to the contrary from ArbCom through a request for clarification (Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification); a request in any other forum or advice by anybody else (especially if the answer is not a clear "go ahead") may not be sufficient to prevent an inadvertent violation of the ban. Regards,  Sandstein  06:13, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello Sandstein. Perhaps people might consider that Wikipedia editors such as myself might wish to communicate off-Wiki for legitimate reasons as well. As I indicated, I specifically asked about Aspic and received no answer, so I expect that your response here pointing me to clarification means that any such requests for clarification will be addressed in a timely manner; further, that editors who presented against me at EEML evidence will be discouraged from responding on the behalf of ArbCom/admins, such response constituting harassment. Lastly, while I am confident based on past conduct that you personally are objective in all of this regardless of means of contact, I am not at all sanguine regarding the prospects of no anti-"nationalist" anti-"plague" axe-grinding on the part of other admins. I regret my WP:AGF gas tank has run dry. Thanks for your timely response.  PЄTЄRS VЄСRUМВА ►talk  14:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Since I am not authorized to speak for ArbCom, I cannot confirm that any requests for clarification will be addressed in a timely manner or that other editors will be discouraged from doing anything that is not disruptive. Only ArbCom may address such concerns.  Sandstein  14:20, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Noted. If I don't receive a timely response to clarification I'll contact an ArbCom member or Email ArbCom. Best regards, Peters  PЄTЄRS VЄСRUМВА ►talk  14:27, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I would also like to remind you that per WP:EEML#Editors restricted, you are prohibited from commenting on Russavia on any page of Wikipedia, except for purposes of legitimate and necessary dispute resolution. Your comments above, [6], are in violation of this restriction, insofar as they are not necessary to resolve any dispute between you and Russavia. Please do not repeat this as well.  Sandstein  14:31, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Understood. That means that Russavia responding to me on my questions regarding clarifications et al. is to be considered baiting and I need not/should not respond. You did ask ME for clarification. That Russavia's name came up is not my fault, it is theirs for harassing me.  PЄTЄRS VЄСRUМВА ►talk  14:39, 8 January 2010 (UTC)