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A non-notable self-published book. This was prodded, with the tag removed by the creator. There doesn't appear to be any evidence that this book passes any of the relevant notability criteria. (The author notes that it sold 1000 copies in the first 8 months, which while nice for him/her, doesn't really prove notability). Bfigura ^(talk) 17:07, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I found nothing on google news or books. Polarpanda (talk) 18:25, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Contest-Deletion, first in regards to user Polarpanda's comments; The book is included in google and is listed on over 5000 reputible booksellers worldwide including many noteable sellers such as Amazon, Chapters, Booktopia, and Barnes and Noble. In regards to user Bfigura comments; Article is noteable and meets many of the wiki noteability requirements listed in relevant notability criteria. The novel has 3 unique ISBN's. The book is listed through Ingram books in print. The book is available in many libraries across Canada and through Library and Archives Canada (see the following link for an example: http://catalogue.halifaxpubliclibraries.ca/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=12V33228D404R.15077&profile=hpl&uri=link=3100006~!2153534~!3100001~!3100043&aspect=subtab431&menu=search&ri=2&source=~!horizon&term=Etchings+in+the+dead+wax+%2F&index=ALLTITL#focus. The book also has a library of congress control number for US Libraries. The book was reviewed and accepted with Library Bound in Canada. In creating this article the author of the novel was contacted and he supplied sales reports showing over 1000 copies sold. Bfigura notes this does not denote noteability however research on many third party websites confirms this is extremely unique for a self-published book especially one by a Canadian author and certainly stirs public interest and defines the very essence of a noteable work. Although one of these many reasons does not stand as noteability, altogether these show the book is unique in its area of publication and confirm noteability for inclusion with wiki. asb2009 (talk) 13:40, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment No one's arguing that the book doesn't exist, or whether it's been listed by LoC or anyone else. We're simply stating that according to our criteria, it simply doesn't qualify as a notable book (or really even constitute a borderline case). While selling 1,000 copies might be a nice personal accomplishment for a self-published author (I'm unsure of why being Canadian would make a difference), it doesn't make the book notable in any way, shape, or form. -- Bfigura ^(talk) 21:19, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I find no coverage of the title in any independent sources after searching Ebsco, Gale, and Proquest databases. Not even a trivial mention. I see no indication that the book has won a major literary award. With no mentions at all found in any sources available to me, it is a safe assumption that those sources do not consider the book to have made a "significant contribution to a notable motion picture, or other art form, or event or political or religious movement." Google search for title limiting to domain .edu brings no results, indicating the book is not the subject of instruction at any, never mind multiple, institutions of learning. Searches for author's name in same sources yield identical results, indicating author is not of sufficient notability that any of his written works may be considered notable. The book therefore fails all criteria of WP:BK. Some jerk on the Internet (talk) 19:37, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Addendum: According to this search, the book appears not to have been cataloged by the Library and Archives Canada. Some jerk on the Internet (talk) 21:07, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It takes a publisher an average of 6 months to submit lists to library archives from publication date. It then take up to as much as 12 months for the Government of Canada Archives to be updated on-line from the hard files. Book was released less than a year ago, therefore couldn't possible be listed on a government website yet. It is however obviously in the Canadian archives and library system based on the aforementioned link provided. . -- [[User:Asb2009| (talk) 16:03, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BK. Self-published books are virtually never notable. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 19:47, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Contest-Deletion comments noted by Asb2009. Fact checked and confirmed. Agree this displays firm notability. Article also conveys public interest. Starblind’s comment appears judgmental and with prejudice and provides no factual support. As an author myself who has published both traditionally and self-published books I see no relevance in the above deletion comments to affirm the article’s lack of notability. Many self-published works are included as wiki articles. Firmly suggest inclusion to avoid bias deletion.candycorn77 (talk) 15.31, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this book. Joe Chill (talk) 20:40, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, this is indeed a non-notable self-published book. The key point is that it's non-notable, irrespective of being self-published. Until the book gets significant coverage in independent reliable sources (or meets any of the other criteria in WP:NBOOKS like being recognized as influential), it is just not encyclopedically notable. Glenfarclas (talk) 23:10, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Suggest keeping article. Although Internet sourcing appears to be abundant however mostly retail oriented, the book has been the subject of notable print media here in Canada outside virtual sourcing. It seems unjustifiable to suggest deletion of an article when every one of the users that have suggested deletion did so immediately after the article was launched making it almost impossible to do the appropriate research required to provide valid insight and reason for the articles deletion. In keeping with wiki's guidelines and standards an article should first have the opportunity to receive unbiased contributions to strengthen the article before ever considering it for deletion. The novel was subject to an international book tour in North America upon release with appearances in bookstores in almost all major Canadian cities and some US cities. The author is also quite famous in Canada in underground extreme professional sports circles of which a vast multitude of print articles, interviews, and photographs exist which pre-date the internet hence their lack of virtual availability. The article is well written in its subject and insightful despite lack of 3rd party virtual sourcing. Please do not make WP:Battles and WP:POINTs by nominating articles for deletion. swissmark (talk) 17:38, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Book appears to be quite notable as is the author. Found these articles which convey public interest and diverse notability: Book reading in USA http://eventful.com/buffalo/events/m-c-joudrey-/E0-001-022912770-9 - Online news coverage http://www.oakvilletoday.ca/news/article/267507 - In store book reading USA http://artvoice.com/issues/v8n35/literary_buffalo/lit_city - Autograph siging event in Toronto www.paradisecomics.com (this website also has a profile of the author as well)- There is also a series of articles about the author but no need to fill the screen here. Certainly appears to meet wiki notability criteria. jackson5alive (talk) 09:38, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Delete''', this is indeed a non-notable self-published book.  The key point is that it's ''non-notable'', irrespective of being self-published.  Until the book gets significant coverage in independent reliable sources (or meets any of the other criteria in [[WP:NBOOKS]] like being recognized as influential), it is just not encyclopedically notable. [[User:Glenfarclas|<span style="background:#003F87;color:#EDEDED" vlink="color:#EDEDED">'''&nbsp;'''Glenfarclas'''&nbsp;</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Glenfarclas|<span style="color:#003F87">talk</span>]]) 23:10, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''' Suggest keeping article. Although Internet sourcing appears to be abundant however mostly retail oriented, the book has been the subject of notable print media here in Canada outside virtual sourcing. It seems unjustifiable to suggest deletion of an article when every one of the users that have suggested deletion did so immediately after the article was launched making it almost impossible to do the appropriate research required to provide valid insight and reason for the articles deletion. In keeping with wiki's guidelines and standards an article should first have the opportunity to receive unbiased contributions to strengthen the article before ever considering it for deletion. The novel was subject to an international book tour in North America upon release with appearances in bookstores in almost all major Canadian cities and some US cities. The author is also quite famous in Canada in underground extreme professional sports circles of which a vast multitude of print articles, interviews, and photographs exist which pre-date the internet hence their lack of virtual availability. The article is well written in its subject and insightful despite lack of 3rd party virtual sourcing. Please do not make [[WP:Battle]]s and  [[WP:POINT]]s by nominating articles for deletion. [[User:swissmark|swissmark]] ([[User talk:swissmark|talk]]) 17:38, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' Book appears to be quite notable as is the author. Found these articles which convey public interest and diverse notability: Book reading in USA http://eventful.com/buffalo/events/m-c-joudrey-/E0-001-022912770-9 - Online news coverage http://www.oakvilletoday.ca/news/article/267507 - In store book reading USA http://artvoice.com/issues/v8n35/literary_buffalo/lit_city - Autograph siging event in Toronto www.paradisecomics.com (this website also has a profile of the author as well)- There is also a series of articles about the author but no need to fill the screen here. Certainly appears to meet wiki notability criteria. [[User:jackson5alive|jackson5alive]] ([[User talk:jackson5alive|talk]]) 09:38, 13 January 2010 (UTC)