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He is not notable for being a political candidate, but he is notable for his military service, for getting caught mistreating a prisoner, and for the comparatively light punishment he received. --Eastmain (talk) 00:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that Eastmain sticks to facts, not opinion. As reported in the press, the FACT is that LTC West fired his 9mm weapon next to the prisoner's head (NOT physically hurting him, but drastically affecting him), scaring him into giving up information that was attributed to saving some of his soldiers' lives in real time. Eastmain's OPINION that he "mistreated" a prisoner, and got "light punishment" is just that - opinion. MY opinion would be that he applied the proper amount of force given the situation, did NOT physically hurt the prisoner, saved his men's lives, and had a remarkable military career foreshortened by politically correct superiors - MY opinion.Tavennerfb (talk) 15:17, 16 December 2009 (UTC) [[reply]

Eastmain, I think your bias is showing...--69.253.207.228 (talk) 03:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New page name

I disagree with the new name of this page ... West did not technically resign, he was allowed to retire after being fined. Resigned implies (in the military at least) that he got out prior to retirement eligibility. If you felt the need to rename the page, it would be better named Allen West (politician, retired U.S. colonel) (section)Hardnfast (talk) 01:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it. Justmeherenow (talk) 02:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good to go ... a very reasonable compromise. Hardnfast (talk) 02:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ends-Justify-the-Means trial for a military man

Remember when Sean Connery shot the dead guy through the head in the Untouchables to get the bookie to talk?

My question is: "did West actually save lives given his reputable interrogation?" if there is proof that he saved lives based upon the info he got out of the cop, then his actions were justified (in terms of Ends-justifies-the-Means logic). If there isn't proof that he saved lives, then viceversa.

The moral is, people shouldn't be rewarded for losing even though they have good intentions.

Given one scenario, West and his men would've "lost" if they made that cop more humiliated than he's ever been in his life by harshly interrogating him into filling his pants and beating him senselessly just to get useless information or even lies out of him. West and his men would've "won" if they got the cop to give them useful, true information that led to the saving of lives (and possible humiliations or pants-fillings) of fellow soliders.

Take the interrogation scene from Reservoir Dogs for example "If you beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started the G0dd@mned Chicago fire now that don't neccessarily make it F*#&in so!" Actions are justified by the results for a military man.--Sage Veritas (talk) 04:13, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't This Evidence of Political Correctness in Iraq?

Isn't this controversy yet more proof that Political Correctness rules the day in Iraq? Had WW II been fought in anything remotely approaching this sort of delicate, PC manner, could the US have achieved its goals?

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 Take the interrogation scene from Reservoir Dogs for example "If you beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started the G0dd@mned Chicago fire now that don't neccessarily make it F*#&in so!" Actions are justified by the results for a military man.--[[User:Sage Veritas|Sage Veritas]] ([[User talk:Sage Veritas|talk]]) 04:13, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
+== Isn't This Evidence of Political Correctness in Iraq? ==
+Isn't this controversy yet more proof that Political Correctness rules the day in Iraq?  Had WW II been fought in anything remotely approaching this sort of delicate, PC manner, could the US have achieved its goals?