Talk:Alstom Traxx

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This page is quite german-centric...

From the group were derived two italian locomotives (E.464 and E.412, respectively TRAXX 160 DCP and TRAXX 112E) and a third group for Poland, EU43 (TRAXX112E), 8 vehicles that were never acquired by PKP and then sold to Rail Traction Company.

The project in its initial phase involved Ferrovie dello Stato, not only DB, since an agreement was signed to provide a new group (the 464) to replace the old E.646 regional locomotives. A prototype of the E.454 group, developed for the purpose by FS itself but inadequate because too powerful and expensive, was offered in 1994 by FS to the ADTranz Consortium to serve as base for the TRAXX family.

Following this, E464 was one of the first groups delivered, back in 1996. It is the biggest group derived by the TRAXX family with over 580 locomotives running up to now. (look at http://www.leferrovie.net/loco/e464.php it you need a source) --Jollyroger 07:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Moreover, lenght, weight and powers vary considerably among the group, ranging from 15.750 mm and 19.400 mm for the body lenght, 70 to 90 tons for weight and 3500-5600 kW for power. --Jollyroger 08:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you Jollyroger.Furthermore this page should contain 2 sections : one for the electric versions and one for the diesel variants which were introduced last year.I will try do to do this, but any commens are welcome ! --Btrs 20:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

TRAXX#The_electric_versions

A few possible errors here - will attempt to mend myself if I can. In the meantime I have left 'tags' on the problem bits.Carrolljon (talk) 00:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

German centric - also useless

The article is too DB centric.

There is no mention of 'AC 140' / '140AC' locomotives which is bombardier's own description.

Looking for SBB Re 482 turns up nothing.

It needs redoing.FengRail (talk) 17:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

WORK IN PROGRESS

Currently redoing the article - to include references + rewriteFengRail (talk) 11:57, 22 March 2009 (UTC) Re-organising by voltage type - followed by the variant for diesel and/or electric use, sub organised by date. Work still in progress - sections will be expanded.FengRail (talk) 23:40, 22 March 2009 (UTC) Still working on it, DB Class 145 / 146 should have separate articles...(maybe?)((FengRail (talk) 01:00, 25 March 2009 (UTC) DBAG Class 145 and 146 split from article. FengRail (talk) 22:30, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

That's me done.. Please finish it off.FengRail (talk) 04:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The mentioned TRAXX F160 DC are the FS Class E405, former PKP class EU11 bought by Trenitalia Cargo from Bombardier after the resigning of the contract by PKP in 2003, they were built in Wroclaw by Ad-Tranz Pafawag between 1998 and 2002. --Mattia90rn (talk) 13:05, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

common platform (Comments moved from article)

According to Giancarlo Piro from UIC (UIC user producer interaction program, johanesburg 2000) the Greek railway had made an order to Bombardier (ADtranz) some diesel electric locomotives (bo-bo, 80 t.,2100kw,200 km/h) for being used in line between athens-thessaloniki which is not yet electrified and after electrification it was considered for these locomotives to be converted to electric locomotives (5000 kw).these to type locomotives have about 80% common parts as well as:

car body, cabs, bogies, traction motors, inverters, compressor, braking sys .... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghorbanalibeik (talk • contribs)

Comments above moved from article to talk page. WuhWuzDat 17:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Electrical components

Removed addition that they also are made in Trapaga [1] - no idea if this is true or not, but only ref I have doesn't mention it. ???

Shortfatlad (talk) 02:06, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

ok found it [2] but please add references for stuff added.Shortfatlad (talk) 02:14, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Failure to observe copyright etiquette by Continental Modeller

The magazine "Continental Modeller" (sister magazine of Railway Modeller) publisher and article in the June 2010 P.374 by 'Ron Smith'

This article copied much information from the article, and did not include the relevant licensing terms, additionally the publication claims copyright on itss contents.

I have sent a letter to peco publications explaining the situation. It is based upon Wikipedia:Standard_license_violation_letter#If_you_are_a_significant_contributor_to_the_text and I have reproduced it here:

Dear Continental Modeller:

I am pleased to see that your publication (June 2010 TRAXX locomotive article), uses content from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org), the free encyclopedia. This is the sort of reuse that those who contribute to Wikipedia, as I do, wish to promote.

However, you must follow the licensing terms which govern all Wikipedia text. Most of Wikipedia's content, including the text you are using, is dually licensed under the the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License (CC-BY-SA 3.0) and the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts). The text of these licenses, the relevant legally binding documents, can be found at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:CCBYSA> and <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_GNU_Free_Documentation_License>. Wikipedia does offer advice about how to comply with these licenses. This can be found in detail at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights>.

First, I note that you included a link back to the source Wikipedia article as is suggested at that page. However, additionally, you should also include a CC-BY-SA notice, a GFDL notice, or both. You could, for example, add the text "This article is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License, which means that you can copy and modify it as long as the entire work (including additions) remains under this license", and provide a link to a copy of the CC-BY-SA. Text such as "This page contains text from Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia" is a good way to acknowledge the general source of the text.

I was a contributor to this article, and text that I wrote appears on your site - in parts copied verbatim. Since it appears without specifically attributing me (and the other authors), or linking to the text of the CC-BY-SA or GFDL under which I released my contributions, the existence of this article violates my copyright, as well as those of all other contributors.

for example the text has been copied from the wikipedia article:

"In the early 1990s the Deutsche Bahn sought replacements for its electric locomotive fleet - the universal locomotives DB Class 120 had been successful.."

"The TRAXX P160 AC is the passenger version of this class, with a correspondingly higher top speed of 160 km/h, with lower unsprung mass achieved through the use of hollow shaft final drive replacing the axle hung motor arrangement in the freight version. The bogies and drive unit are the same as used in the DBAG Class 146"

"In May 2004 Bombardier introduced an improved version of the TRAXX locomotive platform as demonstrator loco 185 561. The unit was fundamentally the same as the F140AC machines, with some minor improvements - cabins now had a crumple zone.."

"At the same time as the introduction of demonstrator loco 185 561 for the F140 AC2 class another new type was introduced: this was the locomotive SBB Re484 001; the first TRAXX unit that could operate under AC and DC electrified catenaries. As well as the 15/25kV AC supplies.."

"In 2005 Angel Trains cargo placed an order for 10 DC electric locomotives with Bombardier, the first machine E483 001 was produced in August 2006 at Bombardier's plant in Kassel.."

And many other examples. In addition the tables used in your article appear to have been copied verbatim.

Please add the required acknowledgments to your publication.

Thank you.

77.86.125.207 (talk) 18:30, 27 May 2010 (UTC)