Talk:Daniele Luttazzi

I'm updating the info concerning plagiarism, which is currently gaining a lot of attention by the media in Italy, thus providing a lot of official references. Please note that the Italian page for Daniele Luttazzi is currently in a bad non-NPOV state, and in particular there is a lot of controversy about the plagiarism accuse. Most of the debate is undermined by the fact that primary sources used to be blogs and (supposedly) copyright-violating videos. I am adding

• (one) Officially verifiable sources, which are backed up by a newspaper being legally responsible for them, and using the content as the base of articles in the printed version.
• the content hosted there is (almost obviously) not in violation of any copyright law: it goes under fair use and it is publicly available from the newspaper web site. Previous debate about the copyright violation was propelled by public video hosting services like youtube promptly removing the content on request by Luttazzi's own agency, without verifying the claim. Any discussion on the topic is clearly void now that the very same material has been shown to be legally distributable.

Sorry for the long discussion, but I don't want any of the Italian wiki page NPOV-related flames to get there, so it's better to be clear in the beginning. Changes: Re-added Carlin, and added Rock to the list of (supposedly) plagiarized actors, as the movie I add shows them. Added the legally available source for the video comparing Luttazzi with Carlin and Rocks. Caveats: English is not my first language, someone please check my grammar and style :-) --Max-CCC (talk) 19:26, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Additional note: the second reference I put in is from a blog archive; although the article is a reproduction from the one originally published on Il Foglio, I'm not certain that this is acceptable. In case it is not, you should not remove both citations, only the second one (and possibly the linked text ofc). Reason I added the second reference as IMHO it needs to be explained that many people refuse(d) to even consider the plagiarism accuse, in the aftermath of the Editto Bulgaro and even today. Besides, the situation is complex, and I believe it is relevant that Luttazzi was censored for political reasons, and not because he was believed to plagiarize at that time. I'm adding a few wiki cross references to reduce redundancy of the article. --Max-CCC (talk) 20:15, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Made other improvements reducing duplication between intro and biography. Now I believe the issues related with censorship and plagiarism are both more balanced, but I think that for an NPOV article the biography is too short and doesn't list all it's required (while the italian page goes way too far in the opposite direction). Help wanted I do not know how to collapse two identical references in the article (3 and 8 are the same). --Max-CCC (talk) 20:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to erase the sentence regarding "il Foglio" in the "plagirism" section. "il Foglio" never found more than a handful of jokes being copied from more famous authors and only claimed that many of Luttazzi's shows were heavily inspired by some americans comedian (i.e. David Letterman). The research which brought to us more than 500 jokes which were "borrowed" (plagiarised / cited, depending on how people see it) was not made by "il Foglio", thus this newspaper is not that relevant in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.160.21.102 (talk) 21:59, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Readded the "plagiarism" tag (a bunch of other comedians who have been accused of doing so have the same tag, like Carlos Mencia). I hope to have more sources on the thoughts of other UK/US comedians soon.