User talk:Look2See1

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Notes to self

Commencing Note Box-Look2See1 t a l k → 23:32, 29 April 2010 (UTC) REFERENCES and CITATIONS — {{help}} {{helpme}} How references work      Simple references These require two parts; a) Chzz is 98 years old.<ref> "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. </ref> He likes tea. <ref> [http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com Tea website] </ref> b) A section called "References" with the special code "{{reflist}}"; == References == {{reflist}} (an existing article is likely to already have one of these sections) To see the result of that, please look at user:chzz/demo/simpleref. Edit it, and check the code; perhaps make a test page of your own, such as user:Look2See1/reftest and try it out. Named references Chzz was born in 1837, <ref name="MyBook"> "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. </ref> in Footown.<ref name="MyBook"/> Note that the second usage has a / (and no closing ref tag). This needs a reference section as above; please see user:chzz/demo/namedref to see the result. Citation templates You can put anything you like between <ref> and </ref>, but using citation templates makes for a neat, consistent look; Chzz has 37 Olympic medals. <ref> {{Citation | last = Smith | first = John | title = Olympic medal winners of the 20th century | publication-date = 2001 | publisher = [[Cambridge University Press]] | page = 125 | isbn = 0-521-37169-4 }} </ref> Please see user:chzz/demo/citeref to see the result. For more help and tips on that subject, see user:chzz/help/refs.

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REFERENCES and CITATIONS — ( Help )

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How references work

Simple references These require two parts; a) Chzz is 98 years old.<ref> "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. </ref> He likes tea. <ref> [http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com Tea website] </ref> b) A section called "References" with the special code "{{reflist}}"; == References == {{reflist}} (an existing article is likely to already have one of these sections) To see the result of that, please look at user:chzz/demo/simpleref. Edit it, and check the code; perhaps make a test page of your own, such as user:Look2See1/reftest and try it out. Named references Chzz was born in 1837, <ref name="MyBook"> "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. </ref> in Footown.<ref name="MyBook"/> Note that the second usage has a / (and no closing ref tag). This needs a reference section as above; please see user:chzz/demo/namedref to see the result. Citation templates You can put anything you like between <ref> and </ref>, but using citation templates makes for a neat, consistent look; Chzz has 37 Olympic medals. <ref> {{Citation | last = Smith | first = John | title = Olympic medal winners of the 20th century | publication-date = 2001 | publisher = [[Cambridge University Press]] | page = 125 | isbn = 0-521-37169-4 }} </ref> Please see user:chzz/demo/citeref to see the result. For more help and tips on that subject, see user:chzz/help/refs.

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Barnstar

		The Minor Barnstar
		Not 'minor' as in small, but 'minor' for all the subtle things, which are so critical to improving Wikipedia. This is to say thanks for all your great gnome-work! And it was nice talking to you, too. You know where we are; see you soon, I hope.  Chzz  ►  04:59, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

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Categorizing pages

Hi Look2See1; Please review Wikipedia:Categorization#Categorizing_pages. "Pages are not placed directly into every possible category, only into the most specific one in any branch. This means that if a page belongs to a subcategory of C (or a subcategory of a subcategory of C, and so on) then it is not normally placed directly into C. For exceptions to this rule, see Eponymous categories and Non-diffusing subcategories below." A grass should not be placed both in Category:Native grasses of California and Category:Native grasses of California because the latter is a subcategory of the former. Exceptions exist but do not apply here.[1] Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 16:47, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Wsiegmund for clarifying here and via the wiki-link about 'category' use. Probably got a excessive as was finally finding 'important articles' not linked to existing (usually of design, horticulture, &/or native habitat et al) categories long ago found and used. Will stop adding new botany ones until really understand this better. Sorry for category over-connecting, and 'Huckleberry' info reformat also. Thanks----Look2See1 t a l k → 18:59, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi; Just thinking a bit more and realize a question ? My education-career bridges (native plant-habitat restoration) Botany and (design-plant horticulture) Landscape Architecture. How to get the 'flora-botany' articles accessible-findable to the 'landscaper-gardener-interested public' ?

For example: I have learned Melica spp. and Melica imperfecta as a great native California bunch grass - findable in Category:Flora of California or Category:Poaceae - to use instead of the invasive exotic Nassella sp. 'Mexican Feather Grass' in sensitive Wildland-urban interfaces - but Melica was not findable in the Category:Horticulture and gardening's sub-categories (until put in Category:Grasses). Many 'gardening peers' are not facile in flora/biome/ecoregion/plant community/habitat organization/genera... systems and searching nomenclature, but can find Category:Garden plants or List of garden plants or even List of plants by common name. My Huckleberry mess-up was an attempt to bridge; with no judgements, for many landscapers wouldn't know to use Vaccinium or (Flora of Calif./Oregon).

So question; what is most minimal way to maintain 'flora elegance' with a usable connection to horticulture for 'less common but in horticultural use native (& other) plants' ? Perhaps Oxalis oregana (Redwood sorrel) is a 'test case,' currently in (Category:Garden plants) & (Category:Flora of Calif./Oregon). Would a new category template of something like (Category:Native garden plants of each state's name) as a subcategory only seen within (Category:Garden plants) be a solution?

Rambled on, sorry. Very receptive to thoughts-ideas on issue (or non-issue declaration). Thanks,----Look2See1 t a l k → 18:59, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome. Wikipedia encourages edits of the sort you've made. They are a part of learning to edit and it is easy to correct errors. I don't use categories in the way that you do so I can't be of much help. Please see WP:OC to learn which categories should NOT be created. Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Intersection_by_location says, "avoid subcategorizing subjects by geographical boundary if that boundary does not have any relevant bearing on the subjects' other characteristics." Also, please see Wikipedia:Tools#Searching for additional ways of searching. I think there may be ways to search on category intersections and the like; please see Wikipedia:Category intersection. I suggest that you post your query at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of life. Walter Siegmund (talk) 21:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Also, in edits like this and this one needs to remove Category:Kern County, California because Category:Parks in Kern County, California is in the former (as of your edit to those pages, they would have been "double categorized" in "Kern County, California"). It would be nice if you could double check your Special:MyContributions during that period to make sure you didn't make the same mistake on other articles. Thanks. Killiondude (talk) 05:32, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Killiondude, thanks for reminding me to remove general Kern County tags, was waiting until transferred articles to Kern - Parks to not "lose" any, and then attention went to some desert articles.... oops. Best---Look2See1 t a l k → 06:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Sock stuff

Please don't add sock puppetry accusations to article talk pages. Not the place for such discussions - please self revert those additions. File a sock report instead. Vsmith (talk) 20:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Vsmith, received your message, will rvt note on articles. Have read wiki-info on sockpuppet reports and definitions and do not understand how to file a report. It was why notification was put in articles, in good faith alert for other editors expressing problems with editor of those #s. Never experienced this problem before, and sorry for misdirected effort. Thanks again, ---Look2See1 t a l k → 21:06, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Nancy Holt

Apologies there was no wiki link for Nancy Holt so I assumed incorrectly there was no article. Linked now cheers Teapotgeorge^Talk 09:05, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

"Redwood National and State Parks" Category Issue

"Redwood National and State Parks" is a VERY specific name for only REDWOOD NATIONAL PARK and the three state parks (Prarie Creek, Del Norte Coast, and Jedediah Smith) that are located adjacent to (actually touching) Redwood National Park. As a result of this fact, I have adjusted your Good Faith edits to correct the confusion before it goes any further. The RNSP Cat. now has the articles that related to the specific area that the four parks cover. The category was in error listing any parks beyond those three State parks in addition to RNP and would have served only to confuse readers. No other parks are included in the historic management compact that exists in between only the three listed state parks and Redwood National Park. Disagree? See Redwood National and State Parks Visitor Guide: National or State Park? section AND [2] or Call Redwood National Park Headquarters in Crescent City, CA... Norcalal (talk) 11:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Dermatology

Any interest in dermatology? If so, we are always looking for more help at the Dermatology task force, particularly with the ongoing Bolognia push. I can e-mail you the login information if you like? There is still a lot of potential for many new articles and redirects. ---kilbad (talk) 23:27, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Ranchos of Los Angeles

Not that I think it is useful, but seeing as you have created this category, you should finish the job and add all (49?) Los Angeles ranchos (see Category:Geography of Los Angeles County, California for the list). Also, as you seem to have been inspired by MissionJim, you might note that he replaced "geography of RC" with "ranchos of RC", this seems a better idea than adding a new essential duplicate category. Emargie (talk) 23:54, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi Emargie, read your message and do not understand the "category question" - there is a new Category:Ranchos of Los Angeles County, California under parent categories of Category:History of Los Angeles County, California and Category:California ranchos. I chose to leave individual articles also in Category:Geography of Los Angeles County, California at least until completed with new L.A. tags. Was going to ask you if one should leave that tag even after done, since all the statewide ranchos articles are individually in each county's geography category, and some people might always look there for them ? What is the problem please ?

Please try to be kind in tone in your communication. It's because you have done an amazing job of so many articles for L.A. that it is more than one setting to corral them all under the new tag. It will be finished, but meanwhile, per above, none are lost. Do you have questions or issues underlying your sharp tone? Please ask-talk ! - as you have an appreciative and loyal "fan" here. My "good intentions" are only to bring more access to your incredible "ranchos resource". Respectfully, & with thanks----Look2See1 t a l k → 01:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

By the way per: "you might note that he replaced" - I was the one today that replaced-removed MissionJim's "perhaps over parenting category tags" - including the 'Category:Geography of Riverside County' from 'Category:Ranchos of R.C.', since individual articles were there already (check its history of edits to confirm or improve). I do think his and my efforts are useful, different readers access info by very different routes. Currently trying to find a rancho for a specific location, ie: San Rafael Hills - who was here ? - is a long scroll of the big list. It's wonderful and very interesting when one has the time, but inadequate for efficient research otherwise. Part of why all the L.A. articles are not tagged to new Category is the list format's search & hunt needs. Please understand the list is fine !, but some of us need another route too. As above, please share ideas, criticism, ideas, etc. with compassion.---Look2See1 t a l k → 01:34, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

(I added this earlier - but we were both editing your talk page at the same time - and you won. So I am re sending). The category is entirely up to editors like you who are doing the organizing. Some County editors have the ranchos categorized under "County" and others (LA, Orange, Riverside, Marin, ..) have them under "Geography of County". So there is no standard County Category. There is actually no particular reason to list the ranchos by county (it has no real relationship, as many ranchos cross county boundaries, and the boundaries of the counties themselves have changed since the ranchos), but there is a tradition of listing them by county - bit like the California Historic sites. It seemed like a duplication to have LA Ranchos under both "LA County Geography" and "LA County Ranchos". I thought it would be more efficient, while you were at it, to delete "LA County Geography" and add "LA County Ranchos" at the same time (as Riverside County). I was pointing out that some "LA County Ranchos" had not been completed - thought you were finished. Consistency is an important part of organization. (Sorry that you found what I intended as "brief" as "sharp".) Emargie (talk) 02:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Correction to consonant chart - Ventureño

Thanks very much for cleaning up the citations and for adding the diacritics indicating glottalization to the Ventureño article. May I ask that you please remake separate columns for palatal and post-alveolar places of articulation? Every Chumashist (including myself) treats the places of articulation as non-interchangeable. I've been studying the language over 5 years now at a major research university, and I agree with the other Chumashists: different columns.

I'll apologize in advance if this seems overly-detailed, but it is important to accurately represent the language. And I do appreciate all the help in cleaning things up and making the article look just spectacular. I would like to include orthographic symbols next to the IPA characters, and would very much welcome help with that.

Alaquwel (talk) 11:18, 8 July 2010 (UTC)