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National dish

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This was recently heavily trimmed and referenced, but unfortunately it still does not belong in the encyclopedia. The definition of "national dish" is far too vague and uninformative, serving only to assert that a list of pairing will follow, and the actual list itself - despite now being referenced - does not actually establish sufficiently that most of these are regarded as "national dishes", rather than simply being identified with some nation or well thought of there. Better to move this information to the individual nation articles (where appropriate and if it's missing) and delete this as an insufficiently well-defined list. — Gavia immer (talk) 18:14, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:45, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
• I haven't formed an opinion yet, I lean delete. I have always had a problem with the title of this article. The contents have always been problematic to source, and even now I am surprised foie gras is missing from France despite an easy source [1]. Although, it occurs that this could be salvaged by changing the title, "list of dishes popular by region" for example, that may be too indiscriminate. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

Making a list of overwhelmingly popular dishes could be done, because that's a much clearer criterion. The current list is a mix of popular dishes, dishes that are explicitly a part of national self-identification (Italy and pasta), and dishes that are identified with some nation mostly by outsiders. It's the muddle that's the largest problem. — Gavia immer (talk) 19:57, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

• Delete. This article is just inviting endless debate over what constitutes a national dish. (I can see at least three foods on that list that I would change.) And while I will not debate the notability of having an article about a nation's signature cuisines, it should be in the form of individual articles for each country so that multiple foods can be included and discussed rather than one "signature" dish which would rarely gain consensus, perhaps with a portal that combines the respective articles. elektrikSHOOS 19:48, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
• keep. This is a good article worthy of project inclusion. A paper encyclopedia could not hadle this, but we are a perfect venue. For those dishes that are debatable, simply state it is debatable and list all entries that may be considered "national dish". There should really not be hundreds, there may be 2-4. I bet that google gets thousands of searches on "national dish". keep per WP:N. Take a look at the sourcing, it is adequate. WildHorsesPulled (talk) 20:19, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
• Delete - who decides the national dish ? It's a matter of tradition, and can't be verified. Claritas § 20:56, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
• Delete - The impossibility of finding an appropriate definition is enough. Both of the words are themselves not straightforward concepts (i.e. "national" and "dish"). The fact that Google hits appear for "national dish" says little about the necessity of its inclusion in an encyclopedia. I say this should be taken off the menu indefinitely.Jimjamjak (talk) 23:02, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

• Keep but rewrite. This article should be explaining the term "National dish" in general [de-wiki handles their article this way and I think we should do the same on en:wiki. The pre-existing article should be moved to "List of national and traditional dishes by country" (or similar) which gives us more freedom, should please our editors and give our readers the knowledge they're looking for.The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 23:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
• Keep per Magnificent Clean-keeper. "National dish" is a perfectly notable concept, as you can get a flavor of by looking here. Compiling a list of national dishes may or may not present insurmountable problems (I wouldn't think so, if the list can be derived from reliable sources, e.g. this one). Still, there's plenty that can be said about the topic.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 00:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
• Delete - definition of list is not specific enough. The concept needs to be better defined in order to have any hope of consensus.SharkxFanSJ (talk) 00:46, 13 July 2010 (UTC)