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The battle of Hunayn bit seems to be taken from another website directly, yet isn't sourced. Can someone please cite the original source, and change that block of text into something original and useful? Galactor213 (talk) 02:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IMHO the life of Muhammad has not been correctly divided. The battle of Hunayn and the Siege of Ta'if are integral parts of the expedition that includes the "conquest" of Mecca. It misleading to divide this expedition into two separate events. In spite of its later importance the actual moment when the Muslims took charge of Mecca is an anti-climax.

If one is coordinating the biography of Muhammad with Ibn Ishaq the point where the earlier phase should end and the phase called "Muhammad after the conquest of Mecca" begin is on page 597 of Guillaume's translation after the end of the second with the title "The Apostle makes the lesse pilgrimage from al-Ji'rana."

In the "after Mecca" part, as I have defined it, Ibn Ishaq has sections on

    Ka'b ibn Zuhayr
    The Expedition to Tabuk, The Opposition Mosque and the Three Men who Stayed Home
    Thaqif accepts Islam
    Abu Bakr leads the Pilgrimage
    The Poetry of Hassan ibn Thabit about the expeditions
    The Year of Deputations (this is extensive)
    The Farewell Pilgrimage
    Usama ibn Zayd is sent to Syria
    Letters are sent to kingdoms
    A Summary of the Expeditions (this is extensive, but not really in chronological order)
    His Illness, death and burial
    The selection of Abu Bakr as successor.

This is a non-trivial amount of activity and, in view of the deputations, very much a different phase in Muhammad's life.

How you actually want to present this material is up the community. I am incapable of even making a beginning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.234.194.83 (talk) 06:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Families and flocks of Hawazin?

Can anybody explain to me what this sentence is saying? "Because Malik ibn Awf al-Nasri had brought the families and flocks of the Hawazin along, the Muslims were able to capture huge spoils, consisting of 6,000 women and children and 24,000 camels" It seems to be suggesting by some religious belief that these two events are causal, which would not be allowed per Wikipedia's standards. -Eaglescout1984 11:26, 14 July 2010 (GMT)

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+==Families and flocks of Hawazin?==
+Can anybody explain to me what this sentence is saying? "Because Malik ibn Awf al-Nasri had brought the families and flocks of the Hawazin along, the Muslims were able to capture huge spoils, consisting of 6,000 women and children and 24,000 camels" It seems to be suggesting by some religious belief that these two events are causal, which would not be allowed per Wikipedia's standards. -[[User: Eaglescout1984|Eaglescout1984]] 11:26, 14 July 2010 (GMT)