Talk:Gin Ichimaru

Sarcasm

It should be noted that Ichimaru Gin does indeed use exrteme or heavy Sarcasm. The author and the artist also admitted to the fact that he makes his chracter tall and thin. Kenpachi's mentioning of Ichimaru and Tosen being fearful of death was only an assumption and not a fact. Please do not put your opinions.

We aren't putting our opinions. Saying that he uses sarcasm is itself enough, we don't need to add charged words such as "extreme" or "heavy" to it. The tall and thin part has been removed as irrelevant before, but it's being kept for now. And if a character states something explicitly and we have nothing to counteract it, then it is assumed to be the provisional canon truth about the issue. --Tjstrf 07:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Kenpachi's remark has significance not only because it's canon (and if you can read, it says in the article very clearly that this is not proven fact, but something a character said), but also because he points out Tousen and Ichimaru as cowards, pretty much, even though Tousen has nothing to do with the situation at the time (the encounter is with Kuchiki). From that we can clearly derive that the remark has more meaning than just a character's opinion, but means to say something about the characters in question. Also, please create an account and/or sign your name. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 09:28, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

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Gin's eyes are not red in the manga, so I took out any references to his (anime-only) red eyes. They are shown to be a blue-ish tint on the cover of volume 20 of the manga (pics used under fair use, blah blah blah): http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/3409/gin13br.jpg http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/9310/gin22wb.jpg [anonymous edit]

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This is a major edit: rewrote the entire article adding a lot of extra detail/information, correcting problems, et cetera while trying to preserve existing information. Seems someone did an edit while I was doing mine; specifically they added that paragraph in the character outline with Kenpachi's mention so I preserved that and a change to the word "extreme" to "occassionally" in regard to Gin's sarcasm. Re-added the eyecolor thing mentioning both the anime and manga. I haven't really read the manga so correct the data as necessary. JustSomeGuy 12:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

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We appreciate that you made an overhaul, although you should take into account that some things are in the article for a reason (or written the way they are for a reason). You may particularly want to read up some Wikipedia policies, such as Wikipedia:Naming conventions and our own policies (Talk:Bleach (manga)). -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 12:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I have just read more of your edits, so just to save you some time, I will tell you some common Wikipedia policies and/or guidelines, and ours, which you should pay attention to.

Wikipedia:

• Naming conventions - due to technical reasons, all titles must be written in lowercase, except the first word. An exception is made when the title includes proper names, for example, Character outline, but Characters in Bleach.
• Date formatting - should be Month + Date, i.e. September 10. This should also be linked, i.e. September 10. This is also due to technical reasons.
• Linking - do not like to disambiguation pages or other unrelated pages, such as hollow. Find the proper link.
• Linking - do not link twice to the same thing in the article, unless the links are far apart and absolutely necessary for reader understanding.

Our conventions

• Each article has a Character outline, History, ZANPAKUTŌ NAME, Trivia and sometimes a Synopsis section. Also the standard ones like See also and External links. It's best to keep it this way in all articles.
• Things that should be under Synopsis should not be under History if a full synopsis is given. Many articles have a partial synopsis and therefore it's under history, but that's not good and we're working on fixing that.
• Mentioning specific fansub and scanlation groups in Bleach-related articles is absolutely taboo. Actually I personally oppose this, but I was overruled at an earlier time.

Hope these basic guidelines help you on your way to editing Wikipedia.

-- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 13:11, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Also, try not to link to articles which shouldn't even exist because they aren't notable enough - e.g. sōkyoku and Jidanbō. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 13:15, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

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Ah, my first time as you can probably tell. Anyway... I saw that in the edit prior to mine close-linking of the same thing so I decided to remove that and instead I would link the first mention in every subsection. The hollow thing was an oversight. Can't say I really see how there's a technical problem rendering total title capitalization; maybe dates though. I guess they need to integrate some type of article-group template system here if subsection title consistency is that important. >_< Anyway, that's some enlightening information. JustSomeGuy 18:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually the capitalization thing is a result of lack of early planning of the MediaWiki software development. Basically they made two errors which are now causing this:

• All titles will have an uppercase first letter. You can try - try to create an article named a Test and you will get A Test (don't save though).
• Case-insensitive linking to articles and sections only works as long as only the first letter is capitalized. That is, if you have a section title like Character outline, [[Gin Ichimaru#Character Outline]] or [[Gin Ichimaru#ChArAcTeR OuTline]] will all link to the same thing. However, if the title is Character Outline, [[Gin Ichimaru#Character outline]] or [[Gin Ichimaru#Character OutLine]] will no longer work. Maybe this is a slightly bad example, but consider titles with 4-5 words (including small ones), like List of hospitals in New York City.

This is of course the reasoning behind the policy. It does not mean that the grammar is improper or anything. I know that English has a grammar rule that all words of a title must be capitalized; blame the Wiki developers I guess ;) although I think they fixed both issues in Wiktionary.

-- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 20:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe this is the convention used by newpapers, so it's not unheard-of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.118.1 (talk) 04:06, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Ichimaru Ginyote

This is Gin's full name, Gin is a short form for Ginyote, so shouldn't his true name be listed in the article???

When Gin meets Rukia, who was taken to her execution, he tells her that she should adress him as such.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.145.149.85 (talk • contribs).

That never happened in the manga. Only the anime ever mentions that name. Gdo01 06:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh I see, I'll change it back then...so the anime just made that name up?? Weird...ah well..

I've never heard that before so i think it should still be in there with a episode reference. Just like add that his name in the Anime is Ginyote Ichimaru while its just Gin Ichimaru in the manga. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.230.177.97 (talk) 22:24, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I checked the japanese manga, he says "Gin yanoute Ichi-Maru-Tai-Chou." In english; It's not Gin, it's Captain Ichimaru. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.248.120.95 (talk) 18:47, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Bankai

While his final release hasn't been seen in the actual series, various Bleach console games (such as Bleach DS) have depicted it. Gin fires Shinsō into the sky, causing swords similar to Shinsō's unreleased state to rain all around him.

Can this be considered as canon?? Had Tite Kubo anything to do with this?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.145.149.85 (talk) 06:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

I don't know how canon it is but if you are caught up with the manga, you'll see that Kaien's shikai is the same one from the game. This makes it likely that they ask Kubo's permission or Kubo gives them the idea. Gdo01 06:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I've heard, however, that the described ability isn't necessarily his bankai in the game, just a super rank special move. I don't know personally. --tjstrf talk 06:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

My personal opinion is that it isn't a bankai since it is way too similar to Suzumushi's sword attack and thats a shikai. Gdo01 06:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Can somebody check for me if in episode 62 when Gin gets his sword taken from him before he was gonna kill rukia,he doesn't get it back right?when the negashion goes to him,his sword isn't given back. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.70.152.98 (talk) 15:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

I don't have that ep anymore, but since a Zanpakuto (sp?) cannot be recreated, only repaired, we have to assume that he either did get it back, or it is simply a continuity mistake by the writers. Those do happen in every show from time to time. To err is human, afterall. Cobratom 04:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Lol, look closely at the hilt, its Rangiku's zanpakuto. Its looks like a cat see. About the bankai thing, I doubt its his actual bankai, I think its just an ability of Shinso. For example, in Heat the Soul 4, Byakuya and Hitsugaya had to say "Bankai" to activate it, but Gin never said that. He just says his usual, "Ikorose, Shinso".--Hanaichi 05:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

In Bleach DS, he says "Rain, Yarisazame", actually. I'm also pretty sure that those swords that come raining down are the released shikai form, not the unreleased wakizashi form. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.100.41 (talk) 21:22, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

This is certainly interesting. Yarisazame, is this the supposed Bankai name, or just the attack name? StardustDragon 03:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

It would be the attack name. His bankai turns the sword into a corrosive dust and reforms it at a different length in rapid succession, making it look like the sword is able to extend and retract at a high velocity. It's name, "God-Killing Spear", is a foreshadowing of what he does with it. This is just speculation, but Renji created his bankai specifically for the purpose of defeating Byakuya; the name of Gin's bankai and how he uses it make it sound like Gin created his bankai specifically for the purpose of killing Aizen. 75.157.120.15 (talk) 19:06, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Style of Speech

In the subs I've seen, Gin is traslated with a distinct southern US feel to his dialogue. I've always wondered what it was about his manner of speech that caused this. I read here in the article that he speaks with a strong Kyoto dialect. Can I assume that this dialect has some of the same (if misplaced) connotations/stereotypes that a US southern accent does? (ie uneducated) Cobratom 04:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Where does this come from? I've never heard him using any Kyoto-specific speech constructs. I always thought he was using the Osaka dialect. 75.175.0.187 (talk) 11:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Weather kyoto osaka or us, what the author is probably trying to convey is the fact the gin speaks politely with a hint of sarcasm to "show" his character.

P.S: If 'm not mistaken, he speaks in a kyoto dialect.

-mn- 26th April.2010

Fear of Death

I see no problem in mentioning the point of Kenpachi calling Gin a coward, but to say that he is correct in his identification is pushing one's opinion. Other than what Kenpachi stated, we have nothing to back it up. The article can get the point across just fine without the word "correctly". The fact that there is disagreement among the issue shows that it is opinion. It is not a fact that can be soundly stated like "Ichigo is Isshin's son" or "Gin knew Matsumoto as a child". Saying Kenpachi said it is one thing, but saying he was correct in his assumptions is pure conjecture. Talchum (talk) 05:52, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Past?

It says that he became captain of the 3rd division around the time Byakuya became captain of the 6th. Where does it say that? Is this just a guess cause of the way they talk? or some extra fact added by the author during an interview? Also, when in the anime/manga does it say that he talked to Rukia causing her to fear him? A lot of the other soul reapers didn't seem to like him very much anyways and i'm pretty sure that includes Rukia. I think there was only one time that they directly talked in the past so it seems like someone just added that in based off of a guess. Those two things need a reference cause I don't think I've ever read it in the manga or the anime. Alexyasha (talk) 04:34 PM January 1st —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.230.177.97 (talk) 22:36, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

• Rukia mentions it when she runs into him on the bridge before the execution.71.192.100.41 (talk) 21:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
• How should the recent appearance of Gin in the 'negative' chapters be put in in history? In it, Aizen comes across Gin as a little (homicidal) boy, and he's part of the "Conspiracy Trio" that confronts the soon-to-be-Vizards and Urahara.--76.182.96.39 (talk) 14:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Copyvio and deletion

The following sites have been checked for possibly copyvio in regards to this article, and all of the sites in question are NEWER than wikipedia, so no copyvio exists:

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AliveFreeHappy (talk) 00:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Last Name Meaning

What does Ichimaru mean, I know Gin means 'silver' but what does 'Ichimaru' mean? Uzumaki Dude (talk) 22:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Ichi = One, Maru = ring, or common male name suffix and often translated as "man", so...

"One Ring" or "One Man." The similar "Ishimaru" would refer to "fast person", for what it's worth. StardustDragon 03:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Image--eyes

I was just wondering, is it truly, truly necessary for this article to provide an image of Gin's open eyes? I mean, it's great, and it has no copyright vio's, but I'm not sure if it's notable/illustrating a major aspect of the article. Feel free to prove me wrong. IceUnshattered (talk) 23:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Illustrating appearance. Might as well show his open eyes since the other one doesn't. StardustDragon 19:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

In regards to the eyes, is it worth noting or showing that Ichimaru Gin has fully opened his eyes on page 19 of Manga chapter 399? --Pstanton (talk) 05:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Is this article really necessary?

Is an article on Gin ichimaru really necessary? the article is too short and its only for the sake of fans. This really isn't necessary. i suggest you just delete this, or merge it with the "list of soul reapers in bleach" the same thing with all other soul reaper characters that have a separate article but too little information. the article is far too short to be an independent article. Also gin ichimaru isn't on of the main antagonist or protagonist. He has the least influence on the series, though he did help out aizen in his plan, he did not to very much after that. To be honest if you see this in a more professional view, you will see that its more of an article for the sake of fans.Haseo445 (talk) 16:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

It's not just about the length, it's that there is outside sources for this article, which other articles which were previously merged lacked. DaisukeVulgar (talk) 18:06, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

But you can do that to any other character. you could look up like hundreds of stuff tite kubo said about ulquiorra. outside sources are everywhere. besides it wasnt really the point.

just because there's sources out there doesn't mean we should use every source we can get. This sounds to much like its dedicated to fans. He doesnt really deserves a main article. He has the least action in bleach. We dont state everything we can possibly find, so why do it with this character? we can state how many popularity polls momo has won or the ones soi fon has, we can also add a whole mess of other stuff that he was involved with. see how many things you can find with just one minor character? be honest here, is this article really necessary?Haseo445 (talk) 17:15, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree that this article doesn't really need to exist. It's fine having information on the character like all the other Soul Reapers, but simply merge it into the article that contains all the "other" ones, seeing as there isn't enough information to really validate him having his own article. Hell, I'd say Tousen has more of a story than this guy, or atleast more of it has been shown. But does that mean he deserves his own article? Definitely not, which is why he too is merged with all the rest of the Reapers. SimplyAwesomeAJ (talk) 12:19, 26 March 2009 (UTC)AJ

Really, the only thing that dignifies a character having their own article is air time, as the more air time there is for each character, the more they are developed. Gin Ichimaru has come to a stand still when it comes to development, therefore, this needs to be merged into the "List of Soul Reapers" article. SimplyAwesomeAJ (talk) 12:19, 26 March 2009 (UTC)AJ

Air time has little influence on whether a character gets an article. It's the amount of out-of-universe information on the character that matters. Gin has some decent reception information, Tosen does not. That's the difference between them. ~SnapperTo 21:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

But that information is very trivial, most of this information is something anyone can have....the reception is 'ok' but it's not enough to say he deserves his own article. Also the mentioning of the hair color change is really trivial, many animes have portrayed silver hair with a tint of purple, it's not that they change it but to give it more of an effect. And as for Gin ichimaru, he hardly has air time at all.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

This article is obviously for the fans. Tosen has more of a story than him and he has out of universe info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.3.169.44 (talk) 05:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC) Agreed. This is really problematic. Some of this stuff has no sources. I don't know how Gin ichimaru appears in other media. This article is really pathetic, the only thing supporting it is the Reception, everything else is trivial, and the only reception he has is from IGN, IGN had made many criticism over many characters in bleach that dont have there own article. It's really quite pathetic.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:32, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

So what is stopping this from being a candidate for deletion? 94.170.94.249 (talk) 01:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Can someone please delete this article or vouch for deletion of it? I'm not sure how to do it 173.183.13.73 (talk) 09:21, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

other media

other media will be removed. other than the fact that the info is really trivial seeing as the other media is still part of the bleach series, there is also no sources or citations. So i removed it. Most of these dont have any references you all better get something....Bread Ninja (talk) 15:42, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

A good guy?

Doesn't Gin qualify for the List of fictional spies, since he was technically a double agent? The only reason he betrayed Soul Society was to kill Aizen. 207.216.206.244 (talk) 17:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)