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Gobbleswoggler

Hi Frank, I appreciate your comments to my light hearted message to Gobbleswoggler. Nobody has done more to help this kid out of his misery than I have, It wasn't my intention to make a mockery out of the excellent work that some admins do. However, just for the record, there are some admins who regularly abuse their privileges - I have been the victim of such direct abuse, but of course there was nothing I could do about it.--Kudpung (talk) 15:31, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Gobbles would take that as "lighthearted". (I know I didn't, and I have far better ability to discern what's being said online than Gobbles does.) But it isn't all that important; I am sorry if you'd had that experience with one or more admins. Admins don't usually take away talk page access unless there's a really good reason. There are, however, usually things that can be done; for example, see WP:ARBCOM.  Frank  |  talk  15:50, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm interested in your comment about being the victim of such "direct abuse"; I don't see any blocks in your log. How were you in this situation?  Frank  |  talk  15:52, 10 August 2010 (UTC)h

I did what Wikipedia recommends we do in such situations: took the teenage admin's threats of punitive blocking and licked his boots in the manner demanded, for the person who was actually guilty of gaming the system (another teenage sysop), and walked away letting them think they had all won the day. That vile child is a user of some of the most obscene langue I've eve seen on the site, and a vandal. So you can see now why I have a justifiably negative opinion of people who get the bit with little experience and/or reduced maturity. I actually take a far deeper and active interest in the problems surrounding the admin selection process than you might have thought. Until people started humiliating me recently just because I make intelligent votes the other way, my reputation was as clean as a whistle - unlike some who swear by God that they have never been involved in a dispute, but in fact go out of their way to be uncivil. There are no blocks on my account and there almost certainly probably never will be. Something to do with maturity perhaps, and being a grandfather of near teenage grandchildren.--Kudpung (talk) 11:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Fight The Fade - Notability

Please don't remove any templates without first discussing why it should be removed.

The last thing we all want is to remove an article that merits to be on Wikipedia. That said, please come to Fight The Fade's talk page and tell us why Fight The Fade should stay in Wikipedia.

Remember that the argument needs to address the points in WP:MUSIC#Criteria for musicians and ensembles.

Thanks, and I look forward to seeing your points for why Fight The Fade should be kept! :)

-- ℐℴℯℓ ℳ. ℂℌAT ✐ 15:55, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Please see WP:CSD, which explains how speedy deletion works and why Fight The Fade is no longer a candidate for CSD. Further info at Talk:Fight The Fade.  Frank  |  talk  15:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

RE: Comment

Hi, I was referring to the oppose and misplaced it. Esteffect (talk) 02:23, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Thought so; thanks for the confirmation.  Frank  |  talk  02:34, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

RfA

Your other work here is impeccable. I am not a teacher's creep and I have no intention of embarrasing you by engaging valuable admin time at WP:ANI, WP:DR, or WP:RFC or ARBCOM. I simply hope that this episode will encourage you to reflect upon your own sincerity as a sysop. I will not be watching this page for a reply.--Kudpung (talk) 21:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I understand you said you're not watching, but my reply is this: my sincerity never depends on my being a sysop; rather my being an admin depends on my sincerity. I know of no incident that would embarrass me, and as I said on your talk page, would welcome constructive criticism here (or anywhere) if there is really something to complain about. That doesn't mean I'm perfect, either as an editor or as an admin. But as I've pointed out elsewhere, the assumption of a belly button is a pretty good one.

And again - although you might not be watching, as a followup, I looked through some of our past contributions (not yours - our joint edited pages). I wanted to see if you had some specific prior interaction with me that would be construed negatively. I couldn't find one (doesn't mean it isn't there) but I did find we agree more than not in the few RfAs I could find that we both opined in. For what it's worth. Sorry if you think I have some axe to grind; the truth is I disagreed with a comment you made and said something about it. Nothing more, nothing less, and nothing personal.  Frank  |  talk  22:15, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I hope you've noticed now that after 16 more 'Opposes' I seem to have been on the right track after all. Perhaps my error was in being to early to voice my opinion. On the other hand, If I had spoken later, you would probably have criticised me for following the rabble. I think we need to add something to the RfA guideline to the effect that voters should give reasons for their vote, stay on track, criticice the candidate (even harshly if need be), and not each other.--Kudpung (talk) 01:15, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I am continuing to follow Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/GorillaWarfare; I hope you notice that I didn't re-open our conversation when you responded to my note at what is currently oppose #27. I continue to support this candidate and I am not a big fan of "might makes right". A majority of the opposes seem focused on "lacks <something>" rather than any actual note about something the candidate has done incorrectly or otherwise detrimental to the encyclopedia. On the other hand, most of the supports seem to focus on specific things the candidate has done, and many also acknowledge that the candidate is not perfect. All are entitled to their opinions - you included - but I remain unconvinced that "me too" opposes are any better than the "me too" supports you've complained about. And: the notion that you have committed an "error" is your construct, not mine; I didn't suggest that and I don't agree with it. I may disagree with your oppose rationale, but that doesn't mean you made an error in expressing your opinion - early, late, or in the middle. That's what discussion is for - discussing.  Frank  |  talk  01:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

In case you hadn't noticed, my votes on RfA are never 'as per' or 'me too' (at least not without further qualification). I actually spend up to an hour sometimes researching and making up my mind. and in the GorillaWarfare battle my 'oppose' was based on something she did wrong - several times, without the slightest attempt to rectify matters. I don't doubt however, that once she has found her feet she will make quite a good admin - she does not appear to be naturally disposed to being snarky or arrogant, although these are qualities that alas too many admins later adopt. It seems to me however that you are indeed a "might makes right" !voter after all. GW got through by the skin of her teeth and a closing by a crat who may possibly have been involved in a COI issue. It was indeed an extremely controversial RfA 'discussion', as was his attempt to justify his decision, as the aftermath across the board has shown. Anyway, at least as an admin you continue to take an interest in the process that got you there - most admins don't bother once they have got the bit. Let's just admit the admin selection system is totally kaputt and some admins (and non admins) are doing an excellent job in trying to repair it. There are also a couple of interesting developments on the subject at Wikimedia if you are interested.--Kudpung (talk) 12:15, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you think I subscribe to the "might makes right" school of thought here ("after all"), nor why you are suggesting a COI issue with the bureaucrat who closed the RfA. (It was closed correctly, in my view.) I'm also unaware of the "aftermath across the board" you refer to. I definitely will not "admit the admin selection system is totally kaputt", as you put it. I would like to see term limits for all admins - current ones included but I'm unsure how we'd reconfirm in such a circumstance, because admins draw enmity in varying degrees. Even so, the suggestion of limits doesn't automatically imply the selection process is flawed; I think the project is doing fine considering there are so many chiefs (not just admins).  Frank  |  talk  15:40, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I see you've just got another string to your bow. If it's considered a promotion, congratulations. If it's no big deal, never mind. BTW: I have to admit that I totally failed to follow up on your link to WP:APBB - yes, well, it's what I was doing really, although I must admit I tend to answer snarkiness with snarkiness, especially when it comes from admins, for whom, as a class of editors, I do try to consider them as being superior in comportment to the rest of the rabble. I also closely follow the RfA talk page, and although it appears that we will always agree to disagree on a couple of points, I for my part will try to do it as pleasantly as possible in the future. Regards--Kudpung (talk) 04:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you are saying I've been snarky or complimenting me for not being so; I hope it's the latter but would appreciate pointers if it's the former. As for superior comportment, well, my own experience is that there are all kinds around here - admin and not, bureaucrat and not, and everywhere in between. Some folks have a better demeanor than others; simple as that. I try to be in the "easy to get along with" group myself. It's up to others to judge for themselves whether or not I am successful.  Frank  |  talk  14:26, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikistalk check

On a recent RfA, you said you did a "Wikistalk check" to check interaction between the candidate and your own account. Can you tell me how exactly you did that? Is there a toolserver program or a script available? Thanks. SnottyWong ^chatter 18:42, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Here it is. "Interaction" is perhaps a strong word; it merely notes pages that two or more accounts have both each edited.  Frank  |  talk  18:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks! SnottyWong ^prattle 01:46, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Au Pair Series (film)

Hello from Spain, could you write the article Au Pair (film) in spanish wikipedia, thanks. 18:43 16 ago 2010 (Spain). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.125.198.106 (talk) 16:43, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't help you; my knowledge of Spanish is far too meager for that.  Frank  |  talk  16:47, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

WPS redirects unappropiated

The page WiFi Positioning System (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wi-Fi_Positioning_System&redirect=no) redirects to here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyhook_Wireless, a commercial company). WPS is a technology proposed some years ago, and being used by SkyHook Wireless. I would suggest to use the page of WPS for the WPS technology itself, and not as a redirector to Skyhook

PS: I'm still a newbie, so sorry if my message shouldn't be posted here (and I would be very pleasant if you can tell me the right place:)Kikoso (talk) 18:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)