User talk:Off2riorob

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Apologies

I didn't mean to revert that. User [[1]] has been repeatedly making edits to the page that will become dated quickly such as 'he became Labour leader a few minutes ago', which I'm trying to replace with 'he is the current Leader of the Labour Party, a post he has held since September 25, 2010'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwhite148 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

No worries, I have asked for semi protection, regards. Off2riorob (talk) 16:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

*Cough!* "A post he has held since 25 September 2010" (Not that I'm anally retentive when it comes to WP:ENGVAR and WP:MOSDATE or anything...) ;-) TFOWR 16:30, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Imran farooq

Just saw the talk page response, i hadnt done it earlier as you posted a message on my page saying it was all sorted.

But your response in defense of the fellow confused me. He has resorted to discussing anything but content in many avenues and resort to multiple [[WP:NPA] after warning by any stretch of the imagination. Accusing editors to refrain from the article because they are from places X and Y is racism; something he continues to assert on both admin board, both user pages, and the talk page of the article. His arguement have also resorted to some quaint form of nationalism/jingoism as to why the person doesnt want to be referred as such, wikipedia is not his mouthpiece. Read his message at the other users page and see who is in the wrong (despite saying he has no qualms in admitting it, he goes on the accusation) (im just writing this here as you offered to mentor him)

Ive also found another source on the page and will await your response before editing the page.Lihaas (talk) 00:34, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Just to reiterate: warnings and advice dont seem to teach him: User talk:M12390#Keeping Cool = Talk:Imran_Farooq + [2]Lihaas (talk) 01:17, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink...If you have found a wiki reliable source then please feel free to boldly add the content, thanks for commenting. Off2riorob (talk) 16:27, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Are you okay with the new source? You had issue with the other one, so I just want to make sure the new one is okay before warring.Lihaas (talk) 18:24, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

That wasnt my addition. See my source on the talk page, it wasnt the one you posted on my page, i was waiting for you response to my source to add it.Lihaas (talk) 07:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Just saw you reply, im continuing it on the page so others can join in.(Lihaas (talk) 22:21, 29 September 2010 (UTC)).

User Dreadarthur

Many thanks for your quick and constructive comment in relation to my MySpace citation error in relation to Playboy Records, with the emphasis on "constructive", relative to what I was otherwise experiencing at the time.Dreadarthur (talk) 14:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Pleasure, I hear communication is mostly face to face and through the keyboard sometimes the intended message can come over in a way that perhaps was not meant, anyways, best regards. Off2riorob (talk) 16:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Could you glance at this AFD please?

Hello. You've helped me before. Could you weigh in on this AFD, one way or the other? I am not really familiar with policies regarding non-English sources when it comes to verifiability and notability. There seems to be a weak consensus forming, but I think the input of a couple of experienced editors would be helpful. Thanks! The Eskimo (talk) 18:05, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Mmm ., primary sources, appearance of promotion.. five keep comments claiming... needs a lot of improvements but weak keep.. strong keep from the rescue crew, ...it is complete rubbish .. I suggest you leave it with them and take it off your watchlist. Off2riorob (talk) 18:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Knox

• - Lester Coleman

Sure! Which e-mail should I send it to? WhisperToMe (talk) 18:21, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

My wikipedia link, on the left, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 18:23, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so you want me to e-mail you first, then I send the attachment after you respond, correct?

I meant to use "Coleman".. anyway "Knox" is an alias Coleman used.

WhisperToMe (talk) 18:27, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lester_Coleman&diff=387366535&oldid=387366101

What "stonger supports for such claims" are needed?

The Atlanta Journal Constitution is a reliable source.

The author of the article, Ron Martz, himself was involved in the Coleman case and he ended up opposing Coleman, but the Atlanta-Journal Constitution published his article, so this article has credibility. Anything that Martz says as fact in the article should be presumed as true, because the AJC published it.

WhisperToMe (talk) 18:32, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Fact and true say to me that the content is nothing like that, please consider BLP and that such conspiracy additions are extremely contentious and please provide stronger claims for such additions, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 18:35, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I think it's time for the BLP noticeboard.

Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Lester_Coleman_Part_2

WhisperToMe (talk) 18:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Now that I sent the mail, please reply so I can send you the article :) WhisperToMe (talk) 19:25, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

What is the issue , just send me the article, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 19:27, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I cannot send you the attachment (it is a PDF) from the "E-mail this user" function as I cannot attach files. You have two choices: reply to the e-mail I sent, or provide an e-mail address on your talk page (Replace @ with "at" to throw off spambots!).

WhisperToMe (talk) 19:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah ok as per my privacy concerns I prefer not to post my private mail, no worries, if you can cut and copy it that would suffice as long as you attribute it and so it is not a copyright violation. Off2riorob (talk) 19:38, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

In that case I decided to cut and paste the specific sentences. That way it's okay as per copyright. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:42, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Also , as per contentious additions require the strongest of citations, this clearly is not one anyway, so the issue is of little value anyways, no worries, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 19:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, we'll see how the BLP noticeboard post turns out. I already found more sources that support and/or confirm what the AJC article said. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:42, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, cool. As I said there, the BLPN is not a article talkpage, it is for specific issues, your comments there are vague and detract from the actual edit issues and as such are difficult for independent users to opine. Off2riorob (talk) 19:46, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

BLP1N is supposed to be a talk page. The page is specifically there to resolve disputes about BLP issues. It is not intended easily fixed BLP issues.

"for specific issues" - The specific issue is that you are saying the citations are "weak" and I need other people to look at them and give a third opinion.

See, I give long explanation because posts need supporting evidence. From your posts you say "the claims are weak" without giving supporting evidence, without quoting WP:BLP

WhisperToMe (talk) 21:52, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, we are not getting anywhere here, the same is happening here and I have advised you, no worries, it is a minor issue, regards. Off2riorob (talk) 22:01, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Question

Can you tell me if this [3] is badly sourced or giving undue weight to something? Hope you don`t mind my asking but your my go to guy for BLP stuff :) mark nutley (talk) 09:56, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I think it is a bit contentious and possibly undue to assert Chavez is an anti Semite from these comments taken from long speeches and possibly misrepresented ( even if not I am still hesitant to assert and label him from these comments as an anti Semite, this labeling should not be applied liberally, at least not on wikipedia ), I don't think it is a very strong claim and weak anti Semite labeling imo belittles the actual cases of such racism. I am of a similar opinion to this http://www.alternet.org/story/31797 .. the sources your presenting are in general strongly opinionated and I was watching yesterday, there is a lot of resistance to the addition and I can understand why, my advice, put it on the back burner and see if it develops. Off2riorob (talk) 16:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

What even the books? It is not just newspaper articles. 8 of the refs are books and one is from Current Psychology. I`ll look for some other sources and give it some time though. Thanks mark nutley (talk) 17:21, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

3RR

You violated the WP:3RR rule in Ed Miliband. I will report on the WP:AN3 if that continues. Regards Hekerui (talk) 21:47, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Off2riorob, I'm pleased you started a RfC, however I think you've gone over 3RR. In this context, I suggest you avoid making any further reverts on Ed Miliband. PhilKnight (talk) 23:00, 29 September 2010 (UTC)