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::::In addition, i see no one has bothered to fix any of the issues I outlined on the main article talk page. [[User:Nathan86|Nathan86]] ([[User talk:Nathan86|talk]]) 01:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC) |
::::In addition, i see no one has bothered to fix any of the issues I outlined on the main article talk page. [[User:Nathan86|Nathan86]] ([[User talk:Nathan86|talk]]) 01:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::As explained in [[WP:LEAD#Elements of the lead]] "The lead should establish significance, include mention of notable criticism or controversies, and be written in a way that makes readers want to know more." in [[WP:LEAD#Length]] "The appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article. As a general guideline, the lead should be no longer than four paragraphs.". in my view there is no problem with the length of the lead. <font color="FF1493">[[User:Afkatk|Afro]]</font> ([[User talk:Afkatk|<font color="6082B6">'''''Talk'''''</font>]]) 13:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC) |
:::::As explained in [[WP:LEAD#Elements of the lead]] "The lead should establish significance, include mention of notable criticism or controversies, and be written in a way that makes readers want to know more." in [[WP:LEAD#Length]] "The appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article. As a general guideline, the lead should be no longer than four paragraphs.". in my view there is no problem with the length of the lead. <font color="FF1493">[[User:Afkatk|Afro]]</font> ([[User talk:Afkatk|<font color="6082B6">'''''Talk'''''</font>]]) 13:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::As I said before, much of the introduction belongs on either song or album article pages... using the example I gave before, "''The song was called "one of the most stunning debut releases ever by a pop recording artist," and is credited with inspiring the use of melisma throughout the 1990s.''" has nothing to do with her discography as a whole, but rather, the individual song. |
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::::::Regarding the length; as you very correctly point out, "The appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article." And as stated by [[WP:LEAD]]; articles with less than 15,000 characters should have "one or two" paragraph introductions. This article has less than 2,000; and a four-paragraph introduction is only suggested for articles containing more than 30,000 characters. [[User:Nathan86|Nathan86]] ([[User talk:Nathan86|talk]]) 02:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::Furthermore, the article is still missing promo releases, has promo singles incorrectly listed as commercial releases, has commercial releases listed as promo singles, has charting album cuts listed as promo releases, has guest appearances listed with Carey as main artist, and has singles listed as being lifted from albums that (in their standard international issue) do not contain those songs. [[User:Nathan86|Nathan86]] ([[User talk:Nathan86|talk]]) 02:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC) |
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'''Support''' - Everything looks good. Its well-written and sourced. Good job!--[[User:AlastorMoody|AlastorMoody]] ([[User talk:AlastorMoody|talk]]) 09:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC) |
'''Support''' - Everything looks good. Its well-written and sourced. Good job!--[[User:AlastorMoody|AlastorMoody]] ([[User talk:AlastorMoody|talk]]) 09:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC) |
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Mariah Carey singles discography (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Featured list candidates/Mariah Carey singles discography/archive1
- Featured list candidates/Mariah Carey singles discography/archive2
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- Nominator(s): PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 09:30, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets all FLC criteria. Thanks to all who participate :)! PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 09:30, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
- Comment—a dab link to I'll Be There; no dead external links. Ucucha 23:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
- Fixed :)--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 02:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
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*Oppose. Fix these issues and I'll gladly support:
I'm going on 2-week vacations in 2 days, so let's hurry:
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Support Let's leave them there. I did 2 more fixes in the lead. Support. Max24 (talk) 08:41, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you
--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 08:50, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you
- Comments - Ref 3, 17, 19, 47 needs a language parameter. Afro (Talk) 13:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- Fixed! :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:36, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- Question, I see in the certification column that the Swiss Music Charts are abbreviated CH which does confuse me slightly as a reader since its abbreviated SW in the top column, why is the abbreviation changed? Afro (Talk) 22:49, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- Fixed! :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:36, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- Gotcha. I changed them all to 3 letter abbreviations where applicable to make things easier :). I think its all fixed.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:19, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Support - I'm gonna throw in my support I see no problem with it. Afro (Talk) 16:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Disagree. See my comments on main article talk page. Plus all that text at the start of the article is unnecessary - we can SEE which singles topped the charts in which territories, which years albums were released in etc. by looking at the information below. Why does that information need to be preceded by a wordy preamble? Nathan86 (talk) 05:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- It is necessary. This is the style and format done in all FL articlles. I'm sorry you don't approve, but its how its done.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 06:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- Per WP:LEAD "The lead serves both as an introduction to the article and as a summary of its most important aspects.". Afro (Talk) 16:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you very much Afkatk! Your help and support is very much appreciated! :D--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- The introduction to this article is not just a "summary of its most important aspects" but includes superfluous information that belongs in either the main Mariah Carey article or individual song/album articles (eg "The song was called "one of the most stunning debut releases ever by a pop recording artist," and is credited with inspiring the use of melisma throughout the 1990s."). Plus, at 3 paragraphs for an article of less that 2,000 charatcters it is MUCH longer than the "one or two paragraphs" suggested by WP:LEAD for articles under 15,000 characters.
- In addition, i see no one has bothered to fix any of the issues I outlined on the main article talk page. Nathan86 (talk) 01:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
- As explained in WP:LEAD#Elements of the lead "The lead should establish significance, include mention of notable criticism or controversies, and be written in a way that makes readers want to know more." in WP:LEAD#Length "The appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article. As a general guideline, the lead should be no longer than four paragraphs.". in my view there is no problem with the length of the lead. Afro (Talk) 13:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
- As I said before, much of the introduction belongs on either song or album article pages... using the example I gave before, "The song was called "one of the most stunning debut releases ever by a pop recording artist," and is credited with inspiring the use of melisma throughout the 1990s." has nothing to do with her discography as a whole, but rather, the individual song.
- Regarding the length; as you very correctly point out, "The appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article." And as stated by WP:LEAD; articles with less than 15,000 characters should have "one or two" paragraph introductions. This article has less than 2,000; and a four-paragraph introduction is only suggested for articles containing more than 30,000 characters. Nathan86 (talk) 02:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- Furthermore, the article is still missing promo releases, has promo singles incorrectly listed as commercial releases, has commercial releases listed as promo singles, has charting album cuts listed as promo releases, has guest appearances listed with Carey as main artist, and has singles listed as being lifted from albums that (in their standard international issue) do not contain those songs. Nathan86 (talk) 02:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- As explained in WP:LEAD#Elements of the lead "The lead should establish significance, include mention of notable criticism or controversies, and be written in a way that makes readers want to know more." in WP:LEAD#Length "The appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article. As a general guideline, the lead should be no longer than four paragraphs.". in my view there is no problem with the length of the lead. Afro (Talk) 13:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Support - Everything looks good. Its well-written and sourced. Good job!--AlastorMoody (talk) 09:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 10:46, 24 October 2010 (UTC)