Talk:History of drum and bass

Track samples

Half of the track samples are completely useless. Of the 30 seconds snippets, you get 29 seconds of an intro which doesn't tell us anything about the music style, followed by one seconds of the actual drum beat, bassline and melody. 83.77.246.41 (talk) 11:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

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Following discussion on the main drum & bass article page, the section from that article has been split off here.

Please note that all the controversies over whether drum & bass is jungle and vice versa have raged for two years now. There is a seperate old school jungle article for those who want to declare it a seperate genre with a different history to drum & bass. Please edit that page if you so wish to. This article is meant to be a history of the genre that has continually evolved from We Are I.E. till the present day.

When editing ALWAYS add references. The drum & bass article was qualified as a good article based on the references, images and sounds contained (and still contained) therein.

Random junglist thoughts will detract from the quality of this article.

This is not DOA or any other junglist forum, but a serious article so keep it serious and that means show respect to other's thoughts and your own. --Dustek 15:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The lead is too self-referential, the line "This article deals with the history of this musical style." is rather unencyclopedic, do I have your permission to re-write it? Themindset 16:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep. --Dustek 13:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

MBM's 'Radio Babylon' is Dub. -- 195.50.1.122 (talk) 15:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

A few minor points, about which I don;t really want to create a new paragraph, though I may go on rather a bit.

I notice the changes made to the 'Beginnings in the UK' section. Whilst I was fully aware that the paragraphs I wrote a few years back rambled a tad ad needed tidying up somewhat (and have been, so thanks to those who worked on them), I can't really understand some of the deletion of information and even removals of certain key points.

The references to Acid House have been whittled down to one, as with Belgian Techno (aside from again the section which speaks of its relevance to late 92 dark), with a reference to the New beat sound whic though important actually preceded the Belgian Techno sound and was more disco based and less immediately relevant. The term 'Belgian Techno' may have been an anomaly since many of the producers involved were German, Dutch, British and American, yet it clearly encapsulated a harder and darker distorted synth based sound (with arguably a key label in R&S).

The persistent references to 'Rave' i noticed until recently were particularly irritating since 'Rave' was never a name for a style outside of the media, the catch-all term was Acid House which then arguably became Hardcore House over the '89 - '90 period, at which time house split off from breakbeat hardcore altogeather in the Uk around 1992. There were 'Raves' which played all these styles' and which collectively became known as 'The Rave Scene' At this time (89 - 91) there were a number of styles a 'hardcore' dj would play, including house, techno and breakbeat, mixed up on the turntables if not in the tunes themselves. I'm thankful to whoever amended this to 'the rave scene' recently. I feel there is a bit of breakbeat hardcore and rave revisionism going on which seems to take the ubiquitous '92 breakbeat hardcore sound and work backwards a couple of years, which misses out the diversity of the early rave scene.

The 'Bleep' and 'Belgian' sounds were both uniquely key subgenres in the transition from house to jungle / hardcore, and whilst the key 'Belgian' producers still get a namecheck to not even reference Bleep Techno or its producers is particularly unfair to the sub-bass pioneering work of the likes of Unique 3 (whose The Theme is a clear bridging development from the US work of Saunderson to drum and bass), and LFO (one of the first big anthems to come out of the rave scene!). I have a feeling this sound is getting downplayed partly through the general lack of breakbeats and partly due to it's modest 120 -125 bpm tempo, which hardcore heads who crave speed and noise probably find too slow and minimal. These are relevant points for the current drum & bass scene IMO, not just this page, since the mainstream of the scene has been getting ever-progressively louder and faster since the mid 90s seemingly to the point of no return.

In addition the sheer number of DJs who began in the acid house scene (virtually all of the older guard) and continued into hardcore, and the number of the older producers who were influenced by it (such as Doc Scott, Optical etc etc) means that even if you delete references to key acid house tracks and producers it deserves more than one mention. Just because Acid was slower and more minimal still than Bleep or Belgian doesn't mean it should be dismissed.

There are so many DJ sets available online now and so much vinyl material posted onto YouTube that wasn't there a couple of years that surely the primary source material (ie the music) should speak for itself? It's ridiculously easy to research this stuff now. I'm all for citation and consensus of opinion but that shouldn't really override the primary subject, or lead to the rule of the mainstream mob.

Finally, in addition the first paragraph seems to read rather less clearly than before, particularly around the sentence which mentions 15-odd styles in one go. Aside to all this, I find most of the work people have done to be largely commendable. --Digest 20 March 2010 (UTC)

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Musical audio example, not a good example

Using the audio to show an example of jump-up without including the bass drop does nothing at all to serve as an example of the genre, the intro is very arbitrary and one track to another will not relate at all. Only after the drop could one actually realize that it is indeed jumpup. Please change this example audio to serve functionally. 24.236.89.120 (talk) 18:56, 19 February 2011 (UTC)