Talk:Visa requirements for Serbian citizens

This is a successful compromise and rescue from disputes originating at Talk:Passport. However, this article has not yet been fully integrated into all of the rest of the Serbian coverage on Wikipedia. Edward Vielmetti (talk) 15:25, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Malaysia Section Edit Wars

Dear all,

User Avala is very persistent to maintain the section about Malaysia Entry Refusal on this page. Although, the first part is correct, the part regarding the participation in Malaysia My Second Home Program is completely wrong because Serbia is now allowed to participate (http://www.mm2h.gov.my/, please check the application forms and you will find Serbia listed).

Many of us, however, think that this section is irrelevant and that it should be deleted completely. Serbia together with many other countries require the authorization from the Ministry of Internal affairs in many other cases, such as for example for Saudi Arabian, North Korean, Myanmarian, Bhutanese, and so on, visas. As I already stated, this is a very common procedure for many other countries in the world as well - Bosnia and Herzegovina, for example, requires this authorization in order to obtain visas for almost all of the South American countries.

The consensus about this issue is, therefore, needed in order to overcome often edit wars. Please leave your comment .

Thank you.

93.32.133.243 (talk) 16:27, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

You have a persistent wish to add wrong information to this article, whether intentionally or because you have the lack of basic understanding of this subject is irrelevant. Let's leave Malaysia for a second and let's take a look at your edits regarding Armenia. You keep on adding this country to the list of visa free travel. In the link you give, MFA of Armenia lists Serbia among the countries for which Armenia waives entry visa requirement but solely for the holders of Diplomatic and Service passports. As for ordinary passports, the only option to enter Armenia without prearranged visa is to obtain a visa on arrival at the Zvartnots International Airport in Yerevan. If the passenger chooses any other entry point to Armenia, visa on arrival will not be available. And finally a warning note is given "it is recommended to obtain visa prior to arrival" which suggests that this option should be used only by those who can prove why they couldn't have obtained the visa prior to arrival. Therefore we do not list Armenia nor any other country that provides visa on arrival at only one airport under special regime. So to conclude, if you are unable to make a simple distinction between ordinary and diplomatic passports and between visa on arrival as a rule and visa on arrival as a possibility at only one airport, I don't think that you can understand some more complex issues like the one with Malaysian entry procedures.--Avala (talk) 11:31, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

As you have not noticed, this is a section about Malaysia. Please open other sections for other topics.

Once agian, I have noticed you befaviour as a dictator on this page. This is why I have decided to open this discussion about Malaysia. The section made sense while there was entry refusal, but now it is totaly irrelevant.

I will also add that I have visited Malaysia a couple of times in 2005 and 2009. In 2005 Enntry Refusal was still in force, and it was a nightmare to obtain visa. One needed to wait 3 months for visa clearance from the Ministry of internal Affairs of Malaysia. In 2009, however, as stated on the Malaysian Embassy website, i obtained visa in 3 days without any other documents. With this visa ONLY, I entered Malaysia without any problems. But, having in mind that the official website of Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Malaysia states that this authorisation is still required, I can understand why you put it.

This info about Malaysia My Second Home program is completly wrong. Even the link you constantly bring back is not valid 2 years now.

As far as Armenia is concerned, from my personal experiance visa on arrival was available in 2008. I will write to the Embassy of Armenia once again to cofirm this.

About everything else you wrote, I don't have any comments. I have read many of your discussion posts before on other pages, so I can assume that aggressive behaviour is part of your caracter and I should accept it as is. However, please know that by being aggressive is not going to change my mind if you are wrong. Please try to use more concrete arguments instead arguments ad hominem and every issues will be solved.

Thank you.

93.32.175.195 (talk) 13:10, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I have rather strong arguments which is in line with Wikipedia rules. Read at Wikipedia:Verifiability - "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true.". Your stories of visits to Malaysia, while interesting, do not correspond to third party reliable sources and their inclusion in the article would be against the Wikipedia:No original research policy.--Avala (talk) 17:03, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

One more thing, I forgot. Please have a look at http://www.serbiatravelers.org/vize/23-evropa/93-jermenija and the Forum on this webpage in the meanwhile.

Thank you.

93.32.175.195 (talk) 13:19, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Why would I want to check a Serbian travel forum? Is it a reliable source?--Avala (talk) 17:03, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I rechecked other things you specified before.

The phrase "it is recommended to obtain visa prior to arrival" is nowhere to be find on the MFA website. I suppose you took it from TematicWeb, from which you also concluded that the visa on arrival is available at the airport only. Information from TematicWeb can often be wrong, for example in the case of Israel stating that visa is not required while in fact it still is, and vise versa for Aruba. The MFA website clearly says "border crossings".

MFA also states - "A visitor visa is issued when a foreigner intends to enter the Republic of Armenia for the purposes of tourism, visiting relatives or other persons, business, transportation and other professional interest, medical treatment or other short-term stay." I used to have a diplomatic passport as being the family of a diplomat. You cannot use the diplomatic passport for any of the reasons stated before. It also states that visa is not required (it does not state visa on arrival available) for diplomatic and service passports only. Therefore, it is more than obvious that this information is intented for ordinary passport holders.

As I stated before, I will recheck everything with the Armenian Embassy.

93.32.175.195 (talk) 14:38, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Visa for Israel is actually not requiered, Israel, Serbia Abolish Visa Restrictions. It is a new thing though so I don't think it is bad that you missed it but now that I have given you media report that includes quotes from the Israeli FM I expect you to accept this. Also this hopefully shows you how easy it is to make a mistake. As for contacting the embassy of Armenia, go ahead but please understand that if they don't publish it, it can't be added to Wikipedia per previously cited rules of Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research that require the information to be verifiable not true and hearsay of users and private emails are not among the verifiable sources.--Avala (talk) 17:03, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

The abolition of visas between Israel and Serbia is still not effective, although signed, because of the ratification procedure and subsequent grace-period. I am sure you already knew this, however, decided to use it to manipulate. From what I have seen so far, you constantly and intentionally miss the point of what I try to say with the only purpose to do what you want instead of what is true. Hence, I withdraw from this discussion as I see no point in it anymore.

I invite all other users, once again, to share their opinion on the issue. As far as I am concern, I see this page as your own fiction and will not consider it as relevant anymore.

93.32.175.195 (talk) 18:03, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't care how you feel, on my obviously reliable media source you reply with a story that has no external link. The only source you provided us with is a link to some forum discussion. Media says "Israel, Serbia Abolish Visa Restrictions" - 93.32.175.195 says "abolition of visas between Israel and Serbia is still not effective". Do you know which information is taken as valid on Wikipedia? Per Wikipedia:Verifiability it is the first one, and per Wikipedia:No original research second is not even to be considered for inclusion as it is a personal story of a user and not something that has been published by a third party source. If I write "Oh listen I've been to the JFK airport and no one asked me for no visa, Serbian citizens do not need the US visa, put it in the article now" while each and every external source says otherwise do you think we should it in the article?--Avala (talk) 11:18, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Citizens of Serbia require a tourist visa to visit Israel. The information can be retrieved at the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs webpage http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Sherut/IsraeliAbroad/Continents/Europe/Serbia/

It is outdated, read here Israel, Serbia Abolish Visa Restrictions.--Avala (talk) 11:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

The link is not outdated, Serbian citizens require a visa to visit Israel (http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Sherut/IsraeliAbroad/Continents/Europe/Serbia/). The agreement to abolish visas has been signed but is still NOT ratified in Knesset and hence not in force. Judging by your nick Avala, you speak Serbian so here official information from Embassy of Israel in Serbia: Sporazum o ukidanju viznog režima između Izraela i Srbije, koji je potpisan u Beogradu 16. septembra 2009, stupa na snagu 90 dana od završetka procesa ratifikacije u obe zemlje. Do tada, nosioci srpskog pasoša koji žele da posete Izrael treba da apliciraju za vizu u Ambasadi Izraela u Beogradu. IN SHORT AND ONCE AGAIN, THE AGREEMENT YOU ARE REFERRING TO HAS BEEN SIGNED BUT IS NOT IN FORCE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.83.17.22 (talk) 20:03, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I also think that section about Malaysia is absolutely irrelevant since Serbian citizens CAN apply for program MM2H --Bambyle (talk) 17:18, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

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Am I the only one who thinks that Avala considers this page as his own property? No matter how many time you try to explain to him, he always does whay he wants! Does anybody know any mechanism to prevent him from abusing this page in the future? 93.32.162.75 (talk) 19:31, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Map

The map of Visa requirements for Serbian citizens need to be update. + Nicaragua, + Reunion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.87.157.160 (talk) 20:23, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Serbian citizens can NOT enter the United Arab Emirates without first obtaining a visa at a UAE consulate or embassy. Serbia is not on the list of the countries whose citizens can get a visa upon arriving in the UAE. Here is the link on the official UAE government site: http://www.government.ae/web/guest/visa 188.2.12.65 (talk) 19:35, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Updates

Map should reflect visa free regime with Kazakhstan (all passports) - agreement ratified by SRB parliament on Dec 15th 2010.
Map should reflect visa free regime (for diplomatic passports) with Uruguay (ratified on Dec 15th), Tajikistan and Vietnam (being into force already), Libya and Algeria (signed, awaiting ratification in SRB parliament).

It is not only the Serbian parliament that needs to ratify these treaties.--Avala (talk) 16:18, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

UK and Ireland

It was said that UK and Ireland would abolish visas in 2011 but the news that are used to justify this issue say that theres only gonna be an evalution in the uk about abolishing the visa regime and not just for serbia specificly but several countries in question according to their immigration threats.So its just wrong to edit the page as if uk and ireland will abolish visas in 2011 Theres not even an agreement and even if there were it normally takes months to be ratified in the parliments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ardagul87 (talk • contribs) 09:34, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Caribbean Netherlands

Please stop adding Caribbean Netherlands as the visa is required per [1] Simply, the Netherlands in Europe has a completely different visa regime from the Netherlands in the Caribbean, not just that short visit visas in Europe are 90 days and in the Caribbean they are 30, also the lists of visa free countries are different.--Avala (talk) 23:12, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Japan

Japanese PM announces visa free regime for Serbian citizens.[2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.189.237.38 (talk) 12:40, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I really don't think Japan should be coloured dark blue on the map already. Visa free regime starts on 1/5/2011. Right now, the map is misleading and incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.148.0.126 (talk) 00:55, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Panama

http://www.mfa.gov.rs/Srpski/konz/panama.htm