Talk:Judith Barsi

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Mirror Vax, a murder/suicide such as the ones involving Phil Hartman and Judith Barsi, counts as unsolved cases, on the merit that even though we know who did the crime, the circumstances behind it will never be known and the killer was never brought to justice as he killed himself. A murderer killing him/herself makes the case all the more difficult to solve, if not at all. So it is an unsolved case, and the category is hereby reinstated.

Why don't you make this argument over at September 11, 2001 attacks. That might be entertaining to watch. Mirror Vax 23:06, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If it's OK, I've added a bit more context to the article. I was a childhood friend of Judith’s and remember her story very well. CagedRage 22:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

She died in 1988 but her voice work appears in 1994 and 1995 films? Is this accurate?

The article states, "On July 25th 1988 Judith was murdered by her father, Jozsef Barsi, along with her mother Maria Barsi." When I first read this sentence, I was unsure as to whether Judith was murdered along with her mother, or if her father, along with her mother, murdered her. Could I (or someone else) change the sentence to read "On July 25th, 1988 Judith was murdered, along with her mother Maria Barsi, by her father, Jozsef Barsi." (Since I'm not a registered user and this is sort of complicated, I thought I should ask permission first...also note the addition of a comma in the date.) 74.69.87.172 02:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Posthumous Voice Work

The Filmography lists a 1989 production in which Judith Barsi was credited with voice acting. Maybe the technical details of sound production are simple, I wouldn't know, but shouldn't the circumstances of this posthumous use of her voice be mentioned in the article? -Fsotrain09 01:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

The production of an animated motion picture is complex and time-consuming. The voice work is normally done rather early in the process, since the animation can be matched to the speech far more easily than the speech could be matched to the animation. It is quite normal for an animated movie to be released well after the voice work has been completed. As a matter of fact, A Land Before Time, which Judith voiced before All Dogs Go To Heaven, was not released until some months after her death. 24.36.35.188 (talk) 03:32, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Gravestone

I was wondering if we could have a bit more info about her headstone? Does anyone know why her grave was unmarked for so long. Certainly the family would have had money to buy a headstone. Also, there is no mention about the reaction to her death by the media and by anyone she ever worked with. Does anyone have any info about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.250.143 (talk) 19:56, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

(I hope this answers some of your questions, in part at least) Her mother and father both died at the same time as Judith. As far as I know, she had no other family (apart from whatever relations her parents left behind in Hungary) to buy a headstone. According to her certificate of death she was not embalmed, which suggests that no one was available to take care of her funeral arrangements. Apart from the initial report of her death, the LA Times took a closer look at her fate in an article called "A Script Of Fear", printed a couple of weeks after the murder. The Commission for Children's Services was critical of the Los Angeles County Department of Children's Services for its handling of the case, and made a series of recommendations. This was reported in the Times, but I do not know whether anything was actually done. Michael Caine was quoted as saying "She was a very talented actress and a lovely young girl." Don Bluth said, "She was absolutely astonishing. She understood verbal direction, even for the most sophisticated situations. We loved working with her." I understand there was some sort of tribute to Judith at the 1989 Academy Awards Show, but I have not seen it. 24.36.35.188 (talk) 04:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

A childhood friend of Judith's has told me he heard that Maria had a brother in the LA area. Does anyone know more? 24.36.35.188 (talk) 15:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

"Barsi" or "Judith"

Because the only persons mentioned in this article (at the moment) are all surnamed "Barsi", I think it would be preferable to call the child "Judith" rather than "Barsi". Note that the parents are called "Jozsef" and "Maria" throughout. 24.36.35.188 (talk) 14:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Sources

Use wikipedia all the time, new to editing.

This page is seriously lacking in sources. It needs to be sourced or removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.102.158.15 (talk) 23:45, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

If you can find additional sources, add them. See WP:CITE to learn how to do that. The article is not going to be removed from Wikipedia because every last sentence doesn't have a source (read WP:CITEKILL and WP:FACTS). The subject is clearly notable and none of the content that is uncited is contentious or damning to the subject in any way. If the subject were still alive and the uncited material were contentious, you might have a point but since neither is true your comment is moot and rather unhelpful. 70.242.0.95 (talk) 23:59, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Nationality

I believe it's customary for a person's nationality to be based on the country the person is born, not on the nationality of the person's parents, even in this case where we are talking about a child. Her parents may have been from Hungary but Judith was born in America and never had Hungarian citizenship. For An Angel (talk) 18:56, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Agree and I have since restored the lede to reflect that Barsi was American. Pinkadelica^♣ 20:31, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

revert to hungarian

judiths parents are both hungarian and in all other pages such as Michael J. Fox and Ashleigh Aston Moore that they'd either be *place of birth*-american or nationality is *place of birth*, also, they are immigrants and i don't think are legal citizens. so at least put Hungarian-American or better yet Hungarian which it says on her death certificate.

Barsi's parents' nationality has no bearing on her nationality - it doesn't matter if they became citizens or not. She was born, raised and worked in the United States which made her a citizen of the U.S. As far as what Barsi's death certificate states (which is available online) - her Race/ethnicity is liasted as "White/Hungarian". Race and ethnicity are not the same as nationality. Further, the death certificate clearly states that she was born in "Burbank" and that she was a citizen of the "USA". Pinkadelica^♣ 20:46, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

what bout michael j fox and ashleigh aston moore and others who are listed the same way even though their parents were born somewhere else, and technically american isn't a heritage, someone always has roots from another country, so she definitely and unarguably is hungarian or at least Hungarian American, thats like saying someone who is spanish is asian or german just because they were born there, not trying to be racist, just giving an example. *Text removed* (Boberson33 (talk) 22:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC))

Please do not copy another editor's signature, even in jest. I have removed it per WP:SIGEDITORIMPERSONATE. Now, nobody is saying Barsi was not of Hungarian decent. The categories in the article identify her as such and no one has disputed that. We are discussing her nationality, which you seem to be getting mixed up with her heritage. Nationality and heritage are two different things. Her parents were born in Hungary, they were Hungarians who may or may not have become American citizens later (I presume they did as they both lived and worked here for many years). Barsi herself was born in the United States to Hungarian parents - that means she was an American citizen who was of Hungarian decent. If she were born in Hungary and then immigrated to the United States as her parents had, then we would identify her "Hungarian-American" presuming she became a citizen at some point. Even her death certificate cites her as being an American citizen which is enough to satisfy both WP:V and WP:RS. As for the two examples you keep referring to, nothing in either of those article discuss the nationality of the subject's parents. Both subjects are seemingly identified by their nationalities (ie the countries where they were born and/or hold citizenship). Please see WP:OPENPARAGRAPH for additional information regarding what kind of information should be in the lede paragraph. Pinkadelica^♣ 23:57, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

where does it say that she's american on her death certificate (Boberson33 (talk) 00:10, 8 June 2011 (UTC))

Under the "Decedent Personal Data" (11a to be exact) which typically lists such information. Pinkadelica^♣ 00:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

do you have a link to this photo? (Boberson33 (talk) 21:09, 8 June 2011 (UTC))

The death certificate is available on Find-a-death. Section 11a, under "Decedent Personal Data" states "Citizen of What Country" - answer is clearly "USA". Pinkadelica^♣ 21:31, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

As a compromise why don't we say "was an american child actress of Hungarian descent" I've seen it used on other articles so why should this be an exception, I'll edit it now and if anyone objects then they can take it off and say why in the discussion 82.5.224.82 (talk) 21:38, 9 June 2011 (UTC)