Talk:PowerBuilder

Lost history

This page lost all its edit history when it was moved from Powerbuilder. akaDruid 09:00, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

NPOV issues

A couple of things looked like they violated NPOV. I changed the ones I was sure about. The comment "Of course, to run the above example application, you must purchase and install the PowerBuilder development tool" appears rather inane and un-encyclopedia-like and I think it can be pulled out.

I did so. Chip Unicorn 23:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

NPOV and lacking a critisism section

I agree with the content not maintaining a NPOV, the datawindow component is not "famous" unless youi either ask Sybase or a if you believe the marketing hype. Also it falls short when developing big applications with a large number of objects, a compile to machine code can take on the order of hours! It also has a lot of bugs when you want to do any integration work.

I am going to stick my head out and give critique, please feel free to disagree. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TempestSA (talk • contribs) 20:08, 27 August 2006 (UTC).

I do not think adding original research with new uncited, non-neutral material is an improvement. Removing "famous" and the "well-suited" bits were good, though. -- JHunterJ 01:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

The article only having a "Language Advantages" section is imho, non-neutral. I am a not fond of the language, and I believe the marketing hype around it is aimed more at managers than developers, but to each his own. The section pertaining to the advantages of the language also mentions functionality that all modern languages have (like connecting to a database, consume an ActiveX/COM object etc), even Microsoft Excel can connect to a database and consume an ActiveX/COM object. -- TempestSA 04:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, the DataWindow is "famous" enough for one of the IBM folks to consider it a missing ingredient in AJAX: http://www-03.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/BobZurek?entry=data_intensive_ajax_applications_the. As for machine code compiles, that's been a thing of the past for a while. Given that few people use it, I can't see why it would be a major detraction. I'd also be interesting to hear specifics about the bugginess of the integration API, given that I've used it extensively and it works well for me. On the other hand, the Advantages section is poorly worded, makes a number of claims for features that are characteristic of any development tool (e.g., ability to call Windows API functions). It could use an entire rewrite, more along the lines of what is unique about the product. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bruce.a.armstrong (talk • contribs) 04:29, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

As a career PB developer I see where the original writer was coming from with the "famous" datawindow statement but famous isn't the right word. Anyone that knows PowerBuilder is aware of the datawindow, it is what separated the tool from the rest. It is nearly impossible to find a trustworthy source to verify this, after all who can you trust besides yourself? Someone with better writing skills than me should describe the datawindow as being technologically advanced for it's time. The datawindow defined PowerBuilder and was a major factor in the perceived productivity improvements. The proof is in the lack of ability to find a PB article not mentioning the datawindow. I agree with previous commenter about it needing a re-write, it looks like a pissing contest between the PB evangelists and the PB haters. Good luck with that. Id be happy to offer objective information, however my writing skills are not good enough to tackle this. Otown411 (talk) 15:04, 18 August 2010 (UTC)Otown411

Out of print?

hmm is this OOP? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.88.124.146 (talk • contribs) 21:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC).

No. Check the official site and click "Buy Now". -- JHunterJ 11:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

New copies of PowerBuilder (Version 12) are shipping in 2011, five years after the erroneous statement made here in 2006. SAP, the new owner of PowerBuilder has released beta version of Version 12.5 PowerBuilder. What exactly is the unresolved conflict?

History

Some history would be nice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.192.29.10 (talk) 17:17, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

I have added history, with a citation of a page maintained by Patrick Lannigan. Prakash Nadkarni (talk) 16:17, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Advertising

This article sounds a lot like an advertising "seriously upgraded" ..."if they were to remain in the market, and they delivered by releasing a major upgrade to PowerBuilder" ..." PowerBuilder has a strong, faithful, and growing customer base who cite the productivity of PowerBuilder over and above competing tools as a driving factor" ...Please clean up and make it more neutral. Thanks--Camilo Sanchez (talk) 19:07, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I've never used PowerBuilder but this criticism from Camilo Sanchez is the most pussified thing I've ever read.

"Air has a strong, faithful, and growing customer base who cite the goodness of breathing air as a driving factor."

"Neutral" doesn't necessarily mean "not positive". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.176.113 (talk) 22:20, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

The fact that you use the word "pussyfied" shows by definition that you have no idea what you are saying.--Camilo Sanchez (talk) 18:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

NPOV ?

The phrase "seriously upgraded" is new to me - and the reference is from Sybase itself. This is just silly. I might have offered my own editorial view as "seriously irrelevant upgrade".

We remove entire articles on innovative programming languages, yet we tolerate this promo ? How long can this stand? In my contract work in telco's and insurance and banking in the past 2 decades in Canada and USA I did not encounter PowerBuilder and seldom encountered Sybase. So those missing citations, from where I sit, need to be added or this advert content deleted.

One PowerBuilder user was the Saskatchewan WheatPool - and it is now defunct, so perhaps they could be used in a citation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grshiplett (talk • contribs) 18:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Biased

Through the 1990's I worked for Bell Mobility, who used PB for all cellphone activations, account setup and credit checks etc. Rogers too I believe. Two largest Natural Gas distributers in Ontario also, core systems. Large Insurance co's, banks, retailers all use it.

Given those proposed criticisims you post as "encyclopeidic information", you wouldn't happen to be a salesperson for the "much more useful" (Not) Visual Basic By Microsoft would you? Highly likely IMHO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lengould100 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 7 June 2011 (UTC)