Talk:Patrick Jane

Is the C.B.I. fictitious?

Please someone show me a link to the C.B.I. And I mean the "California Bureau of Investigation", not some governmental department in California that investigates crimes. The F.B.I. is n't short for "Bureau of Investigation and Intelligence for Federal Government" the only thing about this link http://ag.ca.gov/cbi/ that calls it the CBI is the link itself. The page calls it the BII (several times). Even the AG's page calls it the BII (http://ag.ca.gov/law.php). Padillah (talk) 11:59, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

CBI is the former official acronym of the agency, apparently, but is still used, much like the ATF, CDC, or MI-6, none of which have current full names accurately described by their (historically based) acronyms. To call the CBI fictional (or fictitious) wouldn't be correct, in my interpretation. oknazevad (talk) 19:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but those agencies continue to use (ATF and CDC) or, at least, recognize the acronym (the origins of MI-6). The BII in no way refers to itself as the "CBI". The closest thing I could come up with on the BII site was a 2006 PDF that still had the old name and a single page that simply looks like it was overlooked in the name change. I'm not trying to argue that there never was a CBI, simply that there is no longer one. They have deliberately changed the name, this isn't a case of the name no longer fitting - they have made a concerted effort to change the name. Do a search for CBI on the BII site and see how many pages used to have CBI on them. This was a concerted, deliberate effort to change the name. Now, this does raise the question of time setting, if the show is trying to set it's time period back to when there was a CBI then fine. But they've given no indication of this so it would be OR to assume that. With that in mind I don't see a problem describing the CBI as fictitious. Padillah (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I don't think there's any period piece intended here, quite the opposite based on the level of tech in the show. I think the only thing that's really going on here was that show creator Bruno Heller was unaware of the CBI to BII name change when the show was created. (it's a very recent change, from only the last few years.) Once the pilot was shot using the older acronym they were stuck.

It seems pretty obvious to me that the agency depicted on the show is intended to be the agency now officially called the BII, right down to the fact the agency is under the Attorney General. But, as this is not a documentary, it is by definition a fictionalized depiction. That intent is why I would not call it ficticious, as the agency on the show is based closely on the real agency, even if it does use an outdated name for it. oknazevad (talk) 13:06, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Jane's touching others

Jane does not have a problem touching others. He spent an entire episode touching people's faces. He uses the discomfort he causes by touching (or getting inappropriately close) as a tool to put others off their guard. He always holding someone's hand in an effort to determine if they are lying... It's just not so. Padillah (talk) 12:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but look at how he reacts when people touch him without asking. He either goes totally stiff or he reacts really badly, like making the guy who touched him always think his jacket smells of dead rat, or making it so a different guy who touched him has to go through a metal detector over and over. He never touches people unless he need to for his work. Also, the time he was touching people's faces was because he was blind for that episode. 203.158.60.201 (talk) 01:50, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Sleeps under the smily face?

Could someone provide some backup to this? I was under the impression that he didn't sleep at all except on the couch in the office, much less under the very smiley face that marks the crime scene. Any help would be appreciated. Padillah (talk) 21:54, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Pilot episode shows that Jane's house is completely bare except for mattress on the floor in the room where his wife and daughter were murdered. The smilie face is still on the wall. 71.182.181.56 (talk) 06:21, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

But there is nothing to indicate that he sleeps there. In fact a great deal is made of the fact that he can't sleep there... or anywhere for that matter. That's why he sleeps in the office. Padillah (talk) 15:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Usually a mattress or a bed is an indicator of someplace one may sleep. It may be a bit speculative, however, in the pilot episode as well, Jane indicates he may use OTC sleeping pills. I really haven't seen very far into the first season (yet), so there may be other episodes that back this up. 71.182.181.56 (talk) 08:07, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

"Species"

I've noticed that on the Jane page as well as Van Pelt page that it lists his species as human. I don't see any reason why this would be relevant to a show that doesn't anthropomorphic animals nor extraterrestrials. 71.182.181.56 (talk) 06:24, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Fixed on both pages. Thanks for pointing it out. Next time you can be WP:Bold! SQGibbon (talk) 06:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

What is in a name?

I think Patrick may spell his last name Jain... There are SO MANY CLUES!!!

Jainists, a belief system from ancient India, has some similarities with Buddhism, including their belief in nonviolence to living beings (Ahimsa). Some Jains, in fact, wear surgical masks so they will not inadvertently swallow, and therefore kill, small bugs in the air. Some Jains were known to sweep the ground before them as they walked, so that they would not accidentally harm small creatures, visible and invisible. They preached Ahimsa and a very ascetic lifestyle. Buddha probably followed some Jainist-related beliefs before he decided that EXTREME asceticism was not the right path to enlightenment.

Look at Patrick Jain: 1. Eats FRUIT - I have never seen him eat meat. 2. Wears the same clothes all the time. Like a Jain, his appearance & clothes do not matter. 3. He drinks tea all the time. From India, folks. 4. He does not care about money and material possessions, and gives them away all the time. 5. I think he LIVES at the office, on the sofa. He never seems to go home, so maybe he does not have one. 6. He certainly does seem to be "enlightened" in many ways, but in many ways he is still a seeker... 7. He lives for the exact moment he is in, seeming to realize that all things are transitory, and that is perhaps why he takes such pleasure in his interactions with children.

As for Red John... I wonder if there is also an alternate spelling? In Hindi, Jaan means "life," and can be used as a term of endearment. I need to see what I can find about Red or Rad... Is there a Hindi or Jainist religious word that can help us understand who or what "Red John" is? Could it be the evil side of mankind, including the evil side of Patrick? Has this occurred to anyone else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by APWHteacher (talk • contribs) 22:05, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

His name is spelled Patrick Jane, as confirmed by the TV show. Fickce4 (talk) 23:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Jane's Gun

There's a note in the wiki article that Jane kills Red John(or fake RJ) with the gun given to him by Max Winter. I recall that Winter gives him a nickel-plated Colt M1911, his preferred weapon of choice, which Jane grudgingly accepts, possibly thinking of using the gun to kill Red John with.

I am positive, however, that the weapon Jane actually kills with is not a Colt M1911, as that gun is not exactly concealable in one's jacket pocket. Instead, Jane is using a SIG-Sauer P232, the same gun used by the couple of murderers at the Californian restaurant. The gun looks similar to many subcompacts, in particular, the Walther PPK, but you can distinguish the two by the silver screw head used to hold the plastic grips onto the gun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.74.136.194 (talk) 05:45, 24 May 2011 (UTC)