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::First source: where do you read about Armenians there?
::First source: where do you read about Armenians there?
::Second source: seems to be self-published ([http://www.xlibris.com xlibris.com]) and not in compliance with [[WP:RS]]. --[[User:Ashot Arzumanyan|<span style="background:#913100;color:#EDEDED" vlink="color:#EDEDED">'''&nbsp;'''Ashot'''&nbsp;</span>]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Ashot Arzumanyan|<span style="color:#913100">talk</span>]])</sup> 08:33, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
::Second source: seems to be self-published ([http://www.xlibris.com xlibris.com]) and not in compliance with [[WP:RS]]. --[[User:Ashot Arzumanyan|<span style="background:#913100;color:#EDEDED" vlink="color:#EDEDED">'''&nbsp;'''Ashot'''&nbsp;</span>]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Ashot Arzumanyan|<span style="color:#913100">talk</span>]])</sup> 08:33, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

:::According to rules self-published material can be used in certain circumstances. If you like to make selections, we could be selective in all Armenian articles as well. Should we do it together? [[User:Victoria46|Victoria46]] ([[User talk:Victoria46|talk]]) 12:14, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

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I want to ask if its possible to add another section to this article talking about some info i recently read about stating the skeletons weren't Azeris but Armenians. How when they found the mass grave they automatically figured it out that those skeletons belonged to Azeris and they had been killed by Armenians, how foreign experts never studied the skeletons, how there is actually no records of Armenians killing Azeris in Guba but there are records of a few hundred Armenians being transfered there in 1918. Korganov stated in a telegram "В конце апреля 1918г. комиссар города и области Губа Геловани направил председателю Военно-революционного комитета Корганову телеграмму следующего содержания: "Сегодня, 24 апреля, я освободил 115 армян, которые были заключены в губинской тюрьме. Они все лишились своего имущества. Я предпринял меры для возврата их собственности. Они просят денежной помощи от Армянского национального совета. Как можно скорее вышлите на мой адрес. Материальное состояние критическое… кроме города Губа в других местах тоже есть плененные армяне. Предпринимаю меры для их освобождения".

here is a section that talks about the supposed Stepan Shahumyan letter: Позабыв об обещании представить общественности результаты анализа почвы и привлечь зарубежных специалистов, Агаев выступил с очередным ошеломляющим заявлением. По его словам, делать выводы о том, чти именно армяне стоят за убийством захороненных в Губе останков, "позволяют как исторические факты, так и результаты исследования найденных в захоронении черепов". И конкретизировал: "Среди архивных материалов есть письмо Степана Шаумяна Амазаспу. В нем отмечается, что "основной целью вашего прибытия в Азербайджан является распространение большевизма. Но это – второй вопрос. Основной же ваш долг – уничтожение местных турок. Это – национальный долг". Еще смешнее: Г.Агаев утверждает, что "исследования показали, что резня произошла с 3 по 10 мая…" (воистину научное достижение, оказавшееся под силу только азербайджанским ученым). И далее: "Результаты исследования черепов, найденных в захоронении, также свидетельствуют о том, что геноцид произошел 90 лет назад, Люди, чьи тела мы обнаружили, были убиты в других местах и захоронены здесь…В ходе исследований выяснилось, что эти люди были раздеты и зверски убиты с использованием острых предметов… а на некоторых скелетах черепа оторваны от туловища".


Отметим, что загадочное и скорее всего несуществующее письмо Шаумяна до сих пор не было опубликовано ни в одном азербайджанском сборнике архивных документов.


so can a section be added to talk about these or not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninetoyadome (talkcontribs) 03:16, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to start by translating all that. Whatever new information is to be added, needs a reference. Good luck. Boneyard90 (talk) 03:43, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ninetoyadome makes a pretty good point. The fact that Azerbaijani authorities naturally assumed that these skeletons were those belonging to Azerbaijanis is somewhat reminiscent of how every now and then authorities in Turkey claim that the skeletons unearthed in the cities in the eastern provinces belong to those of Turks, and not the Armenians who were massacred there in 1915. No forensic evidence is carried out and it's obvious that such proclamations are political in nature. The same seems to apply to this article, which is sourced by Azerbaijani newspapers that are so propagandistic in tone and letter that their claims are almost certainly questionable. Not a single third-party source is given and the reader is told to believe what sources closely oriented to the government want their audiences to believe, which was why I added the tag.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 18:30, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Any information presented as "fact" in Wikipedia should be grounded on reliable sources. I wonder of there are any for this particular instance. -- Ashot  (talk) 12:45, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here's sources: [1], [2] Victoria46 (talk) 07:06, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
First source: where do you read about Armenians there?
Second source: seems to be self-published (xlibris.com) and not in compliance with WP:RS. -- Ashot  (talk) 08:33, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
According to rules self-published material can be used in certain circumstances. If you like to make selections, we could be selective in all Armenian articles as well. Should we do it together? Victoria46 (talk) 12:14, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]