Talk:Cholo

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_W9J6YnnKS3A/SF8I5pilN6I/AAAAAAAAAmI/gTnRaE9J35s/s1600-h/whitefence.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.176.209.117 (talk) 00:36, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

early comments

Hihi

At the risk of sounding like an idiot, how to I create another Cholo page for the excellent Firebird video game from the 1980s of the same name?

http://www.1984.org.uk/gspeccy.php?game=cholo.z80&name=Cholo&text=cholo

Game playable there in java form, also visible cover artwork if anyone wondered what the other use of it was -.o;

Thanks

Hideki 04:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

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I can't believe there's a page for cholos, but no page for vatos.

Then make one, vato. ¡No es muy difícil! And be sure to put it on Wiktionary too. Diderot 14:10, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

_______ They may not have started them but who care they took over them .. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.238.151.181 (talk) 21:56, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Chicanos did not start California's first gangs. The first documented urban gang in California was the Sydney Ducks in 19th century San Francisco, made up of Australians of presumably English and Irish ancestry. Even the first gang in northeastern Los Angeles, the Sunset Boys, was not a Chicano nor a Mexican-American gang. However, Chicano gangs managed to survive over the decades while the early Anglo and other white gangs died off (as did early African-American and Asian-American gangs). It would be more appropriate to say that the Chicano gangs are California's oldest gangs, not the first gangs.

Interesting assertion. It is somewhat debatable depending on one's definition of an urban gang but interesting nonetheless. I would remind that not all documented reports are an accurate reflection of a truth or the reality of a society's history. It's a good idea for anyone wishing to contribute to the definition of "cholo" in this article to keep in mind, that, the most common user of the term "cholo" in America today and most specifically Los Angeles is the cholo himself. Despite the assertion that the "first documented urban gang" in S.F. and the "Sunset Boys" in Northeast L.A. were the first gangs in California, and that neither was associated with Chicanos or "mestizos", I would also remind that the main intent of this article is to describe what a cholo is. In this reagrd, it is not important to discuss which ethnicity groups had the first gangs in California; especially since, it is rather certain that any "non-mestizos" of California's distant past were very unlikely to be using the word cholo at all. Cityside Seraph 3/1/06

Chile and Argentina

I'm changing the part that says "Although in Chile and Argentina 'cholo' is rarely..." because some of this is not true of argentina. Refer to the article and discussion in the spanish wikipedia. --cholo 21:14, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

White/Amerindian Concerns

it says in the part about the type of Cholos that are Native americans who adopt the Hispano/Mestizo culture to become Cholos. I was wondering, would a american kid with Irish,Portuguese, and Native American descent be able to accept a new identity as a Mestizo ? can anyone tell me? - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.194.150.6 (talk) 06:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

Si, lean like a Cholo. Listen to your corazon if you feel like a cholo then you are; keep those elbows up (side to side)! 64.118.223.249 (talk) 03:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • CHOLA's

                  SAN DIEGO CALIFAS Sul **********************

San Diego Califas (Cholas) traditionally roots carry back as far to 1940's Strong Mexican women. Active during circa late 60's Primary Barrios: Logan Heights/ Chicano Park ,Lomita Village in early 80's Aligned Sententas 70's Gang (from East LA) Vetanos, Chico's, Diablo’s, Spiders came to rise in early 80’s with gang shootings and death of one SDPD. Encanto,National City, Paradise Hills, Sherman Heights, Shell Town, Loma's and North Park. Not really claiming a color mainly the raza. (Brown Pride) or (Barrio's).These Loca's had few chola clubs one was thee BROWN EMOTIONS from Lomita Village, San Diego, Ca. With over 30 members of races mixed with unique names the club granted ranks to Sergeant of arms/ treasure/lead president etc. Mission, was to attend dances and social events with car washes fundraisers(for custom Name Gold Jewelry neck less to Tattoos the home boys or girl in prison did, Members khaki Jackets and cost of elaborate script lettering on back with nick name front etc..) Events: was car shows in Logan Chicano Park Pride week, soft ball with other girls clubs and Barrios and yes party etc. these girls where not to be reckon with they been many fights over territory rights and vatos . Attire: Dickie khakis, razor sharp stiff press iron or 501's shrink to fit /not wash stiff and razor sharp seam some these cholas sew another pant leg and wore cuff high as far to the upper calf to stash items! belts with metal Hoops or metal was worn off to the side for easy access whip off to use as weapon (TOPS:) tube tops, sweater v Necks and or tees, jacked or club jacket trench tapper coats single shoulder tops and spaghetti top/ black grey or red and black wool/ flannel Pendleton came in late 80's (foot wear:) black house booties, black leather whaatchie saddles, hush puppies and Imperials pointy dress shoes. (Accessories) head bandanna brim hats, Gold hoop earrings, gold bangles with initials, arms bands. Hair usually worn long to the hip , braided and curl let flow dyed blue BLACK with blond highlight streaks frame the face and under the neck / tease crown middle parted or ratted back .Makeup was mainly the finest recalling never leave the home without your false lashes top and bottom with white eye shadow and a Bold Brown Bitch line in the crease to the out temple, eyeliner to finish :CALLED raccoons/Angle wing eyes THICKER THE LASHES the harder the look.(Eyebrows) was shaved then painted on with pencil eyeliner( lighter to burn Bactria and soften) never thick usually tear drop then line arch simple dark lips stick with burgundy color. The red lips stick and outline came in the late 80'shtm</ref>

Spaniard Chola

in Spain, chola is a name for penis. (chola, pijo, pijote, pija, picha, pichina, polla, rabo, pito...) 212.97.181.220 11:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

San Diego Califa's Cholas Circa,1970

In San Diego, Califa's Cholas roots carry back as far to 1940's Strong Mexican women. Active during circa late 60's Primary Barrios: Logan Heights/ Chicano Park ,Lomita Village Aligned with East LA Sententas 70's Ranks: Vetano's, Chico's, Diablo',Spiders,Encanto,National City,Paradise Hills, Sherman Heights,Shell Town, East Side/Loma's and North Park.Not really claiming a color mainly the raza. (Brown Pride) or (Barrio's).These Loca's had few Chola clubs one was thee BROWN EMOTIONS CA, from Lomita Village,Ca.San Diego. with over 30 members of mixed races with unique names the club ranks to Sargent of arms/treasure/lead president etc. Mission, was to attend dances and social events with car washes fundraisers(for custom Name Gold Jewelry neck less to Tattoos, Jackets and cost of lettering etc..) Events: was car shows in Logan Chicano Park Pride week, soft ball with other girls and yes party etc. these girls where not to be reckon with been many fights and territory rights . Attire: Dickie khakis, razor sharp stiff press iron or 501's shrink to fit /not wash stiff and razor sharp seam some these cholas sew another pant leg and wore cuff high as far to the upper calf to stash items! belts with metal Hoops or metal initials was worn off to the side for easy access in case if confutation with rival girls or guys (TOPS:) tube tops,sweater v Necks and or tees, jacked or club jacket trench tapper coats ,single shoulder spaghetti Blouses / black grey or red and black wool/ flannel pendletons came in in late 80's (foot wear:) black house booties,black whaatchie saddles, hush puppies and Imperials pointy dress shoes.(Accessories)head bandanna,brim hats,Gold hoop earrings gold bangles with initials, arms bands. Hair usually worn long to the hip , braided and curl let flow dyed blue BLACK with blond highlight streaks frame the face and under the neck / tease crown middle parted or ratted back .Makeup was mainly the finest recalling never leave the home without your false lashes top and bottom with white eyeshadow and a Bold Brown Bitch line in the crease to the out temple, eyeliner to finish :CALLED racoons/Angle wing eyes THICKER THE LASHES the harder the look.(Eyebrows) was shaved then painted on with pencil eyeliner( lighter to burn Bactria and soften) never thick usually tear drop then line arch (simple dark lips liner mixed with pencil and burgundy color. The red lips stick and out line came in the late 80'shtm</ref>

San Diego Califas (Cholas) traditionally roots carry back as far to 1940's Strong Mexican women. Active during circa late 60's Primary Barrios: Logan Heights/ Chicano Park ,Lomita Village in early 80's Aligned Sententas 70's Gang (from East LA) Vetanos, Chico's, Diablo’s, Spiders came to rise in early 80’s with gang shootings and death of one SDPD. Encanto,National City, Paradise Hills, Sherman Heights, Shell Town, Loma's and North Park. Not really claiming a color mainly the raza. (Brown Pride) or (Barrio's).These Loca's had few chola clubs one was thee BROWN EMOTIONS from Lomita Village, San Diego, Ca. With over 30 members of races mixed with unique names the club granted ranks to Sergeant of arms/ treasure/lead president etc. Mission, was to attend dances and social events with car washes fundraisers(for custom Name Gold Jewelry neck less to Tattoos the home boys or girl in prison did, Members khaki Jackets and cost of elaborate script lettering on back with nick name front etc..) Events: was car shows in Logan Chicano Park Pride week, soft ball with other girls clubs and Barrios and yes party etc. these girls where not to be reckon with they been many fights over territory rights and vatos . Attire: Dickie khakis, razor sharp stiff press iron or 501's shrink to fit /not wash stiff and razor sharp seam some these cholas sew another pant leg and wore cuff high as far to the upper calf to stash items! belts with metal Hoops or metal was worn off to the side for easy access whip off to use as weapon (TOPS:) tube tops, sweater v Necks and or tees, jacked or club jacket trench tapper coats single shoulder tops and spaghetti top/ black grey or red and black wool/ flannel Pendleton came in late 80's (foot wear:) black house booties, black leather whaatchie saddles, hush puppies and Imperials pointy dress shoes. (Accessories) head bandanna brim hats, Gold hoop earrings, gold bangles with initials, arms bands. Hair usually worn long to the hip , braided and curl let flow dyed blue BLACK with blond highlight streaks frame the face and under the neck / tease crown middle parted or ratted back .Makeup was mainly the finest recalling never leave the home without your false lashes top and bottom with white eye shadow and a Bold Brown Bitch line in the crease to the out temple, eyeliner to finish :CALLED raccoons/Angle wing eyes THICKER THE LASHES the harder the look.(Eyebrows) was shaved then painted on with pencil eyeliner( lighter to burn Bactria and soften) never thick usually tear drop then line arch simple dark lips stick with burgundy color. The red lips stick and outline came in the late 80'shtm</ref>

Chamizo

What is a chamizo? Should there be an article for this term? 68.164.94.85 13:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.212.153.209 (talk)

SOUTH WEST CHOLOS 13

These are gang member mainly around the Bellare Blvd, Hilcroft, Glenmont, Green Park, West park,Town Park st & Alief houston areas. There rivel enemys are La Primera, La Trecera Crips, MS 13, Surenos, Bloos, Sppl. La Primera also known as LP are trying to take over the SWC hood but they cant because they are pussys. they do drive-bys and thats is fuck la primera . South west cholos controling and ruling. No 1 takes over our hoods!

Correct Representation of Sources

The first citation includes the following, ostensibly supporting, quote:

"Al hijo de negro y de india, o de indio y de negra, dicen mulato y mulata. A los hijos de éstos llaman cholo; es vocablo de la isla de Barlovento; quiere decir perro, no de los castizos (raza pura), sino de los muy bellacos gozcones; y los españoles usan de él por infamia y vituperio.""

What this source says is misrepresented. It does not say that cholo meant a cross between a mestizo and an Indian; it says that a cholo is a person of mixed Indian and Negro ancestry two or more generations after the mixing occurred. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hadding (talk • contribs) 04:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Fashion stereotypes

This section looks like the antithesis of an encyclopedic entry. I think it should edited or removed altogether. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.1.170 (talk) 18:46, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Cholo in Ecuador

In Modern usage

  Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador

The last paragraph should be changed from:

The term as used in Ecuador is supposedly a neutral term to designate the human groups described above. It may be used, however, following the colonial Spanish manner of speech as a pejorative term to disparage someone as being a member of the "lower class", a designation historically associated and usually reserved to maintain in check the social status of those of greater Amerindian admixture.

to:

The term as used in Ecuador is supposedly a neutral term to designate the human groups described above. It is mostly used, however, following the colonial Spanish manner of speech as a pejorative term to disparage someone as being a member of the "lower class", a designation historically associated and usually reserved to maintain in check the social status of those of greater Amerindian admixture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goc335 (talk • contribs) 07:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

como vagabundo

ie, not always an 'ethnic slur' as the intro says now. Can also be like a creative way of describing trainhoppers, for example: "los cholos" (using poetic license, perhaps) .. ever since i first heard this term used in Mexico, i thought it might have an ambiguous meaning based on context. not unlike how a guy might call his buddy "cabron" in jest or otherwise friendly manner. i will look for sources to confirm or dispel this notion, but I just thought I'd ask others here first. -PrBeacon (talk) 22:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Hair nets

Why do so many hispanic "gangsters" wear these hair nets? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.22.166.8 (talk) 12:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Use of word Cholo in the article itself

I feel uneasy with the use of the Word Cholo in the text of the article. First it states the term is peyorative, and then it goes to use it freely throughout the article (especially in the "Fashion Stereotypes section.) It would like like the article about the "N" word saying "N****s usually dress this and that." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.194 (talk) 19:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I felt the same way, but you said it much better than I could have.PurpleChez (talk) 02:36, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Claim of fact challenged.

I don't think this sentence from the article is correct:

"The word "xolotl" (pronounced "cholotl") is an Aztec word which means dog."

Not true, but you're in the ballpark. "Itzcuintli" (or "Esquintle" as it's spelled today in Mexican Spanish) means "dog" in Aztec, not Xolotl. Xolotl was the name of a god of the underworld. Appropriately, this God had a dog-like form, because you needed to be buried with a particular type of dog, the Xoloitzcuintli (Xolotl-dog), was supposed to be buried with you so that the dog could help you get to the underworld. Without this dog, you wouldn't be able to find your way to the underworld easily, and the underworld was Xotlotl's domain, so that's why they called it the Xotloitzcuintli. So say the articles that I have linked to above and apparently their reliable sources, I haven't checked but feel free, and so say I, who learned this in Latin American History class. Chrisrus (talk) 01:35, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Acually, this article, Dogs in Mesoamerican folklore and myth, explains it best. "Xolotl" was the god, "esquintle/itzcuintli" is "dog", and Xoloitzcuintli means "Xolotl-dog", or "Dog that brings you to this particluar god named "Xolotl", "Dog of Xolotl", "Xolotl's dog", or some such. Is that clear? May I fix accordingly? Chrisrus (talk) 02:48, 9 June 2011 (UTC)