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An unembedded journalist account of the massacre of Majer: 85 people massacred by NATO http://rolandotelesur.blogspot.com/2011/08/la-masacre-de-majer.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.190.29 (talk) 20:37, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The former Libyan regime's claim has already been noted in the paragraph. There is no need to include you POV-pushing statement and definitely not in bold letters. Keep the article neutral. Fovezer (talk) 22:24, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

85 people massacred in their sleep by NATO cannot be brushed aside as not 'neutral'. People who look at this article at least can get an independent account of events by non-US media. Here are more details for war crimes by NATO, as well as the Majer massacre by a French international lawyer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUBJcfaZGNc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.133.8.226 (talk) 23:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No one is brushing aside the claim. It is clearly covered in the article. However, the language you are using is incredibly loaded and denotes bias, and therefore does not meet Wikipedia standards. First, you need WP:RS for your claims. Blogs and youtube videos are not reliable sources. Second, "massacre" implies an intentional act. Even if the former regimes claims are true, which haven't been independently verified, you'd have to show those people were intentionally targeted and not collateral damage. Please see WP:NPOV for more info about this. Fovezer (talk) 01:45, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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	85 people massacred in their sleep by NATO cannot be brushed aside as not 'neutral'. People who look at this article at least can get an independent account of events by non-US media. Here are more details for war crimes by NATO, as well as the Majer massacre by a French international lawyer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUBJcfaZGNc <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/12.133.8.226\|12.133.8.226]] ([[User talk:12.133.8.226\|talk]]) 23:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->		85 people massacred in their sleep by NATO cannot be brushed aside as not 'neutral'. People who look at this article at least can get an independent account of events by non-US media. Here are more details for war crimes by NATO, as well as the Majer massacre by a French international lawyer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUBJcfaZGNc <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/12.133.8.226\|12.133.8.226]] ([[User talk:12.133.8.226\|talk]]) 23:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			:No one is brushing aside the claim. It is clearly covered in the article. However, the language you are using is incredibly loaded and denotes bias, and therefore does not meet Wikipedia standards. First, you need [[WP:RS]] for your claims. Blogs and youtube videos are not reliable sources. Second, "massacre" implies an intentional act. Even if the former regimes claims are true, which haven't been independently verified, you'd have to show those people were intentionally targeted and not collateral damage. Please see [[WP:NPOV]] for more info about this. [[User:Fovezer\|Fovezer]] ([[User talk:Fovezer\|talk]]) 01:45, 3 September 2011 (UTC)