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"Pythagorean and Platonic philosophers like Plotinus and Porphyry condemned Gnosticism (see Neoplatonism and Gnosticism) for their treatment of the monad or one." Really? There's no source for this and, moreover, the sentence is idiotically vague. What was their treatment on the monad? And were they treating the monad poorly or the idea of it? Did they get rid of the monad at a garage sale? Or did they just have a different idea of it different from Pythagorus? It is an annoyingly stupid sentence. Gingermint (talk) 00:04, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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quote "according to the Pythagoreans, [monad] was a term for Divinity or the first being, or the totality of all beings" - is this correct - ie the association of the "monad" with "god" in the eyes of the pythagoreans? As far as I know the "monad" was the 'first thing' - but not necessarily god. eg in the book

"The true intellectual system of the universe: wherein all the reason and philosophy of atheism is confuted, and its impossibility demonstrated : with a treatise concerning eternal and immutable morality, Volume 2 Ralph Cudworth, Johann Lorenz Mosheim, 1845, p.10 google books

- it states that some others considered the monad to be god - which suggests the connection was infered not explicit - are the people mentioned considered to be "pythagoreans"? - is this a more modern or greek interpretation? What does pythagrorus actualy say etc etc.Imgaril (talk) 05:13, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's according to Hippolytus: "And so he proclaimed that the Deity is a monad; and carefully acquainting himself with the nature of number..." (http://christianbookshelf.org/hippolytus/the_refutation_of_all_heresies/chapter_ii_pythagoras_his_cosmogony_rules.htm) If this a correct description of what the Pythagoreans though I know not. Rune X2 (talk) 20:58, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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	- it states that some others considered the monad to be god - which suggests the connection was infered not explicit - are the people mentioned considered to be "pythagoreans"? - is this a more modern or greek interpretation? What does pythagrorus actualy say etc etc.[[User:Imgaril\|Imgaril]] ([[User talk:Imgaril\|talk]]) 05:13, 31 October 2011 (UTC)		- it states that some others considered the monad to be god - which suggests the connection was infered not explicit - are the people mentioned considered to be "pythagoreans"? - is this a more modern or greek interpretation? What does pythagrorus actualy say etc etc.[[User:Imgaril\|Imgaril]] ([[User talk:Imgaril\|talk]]) 05:13, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
			: That's according to Hippolytus: ''"And so he proclaimed that the Deity is a monad; and carefully acquainting himself with the nature of number..."'' (http://christianbookshelf.org/hippolytus/the_refutation_of_all_heresies/chapter_ii_pythagoras_his_cosmogony_rules.htm) If this a correct description of what the Pythagoreans though I know not. [[User:Rune X2\|Rune X2]] ([[User talk:Rune X2\|talk]]) 20:58, 6 December 2011 (UTC)