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According to the ''Forgotten Buffalo Retro Rewind, Buffalo Central Terminal 1964 & 1970'' video slideshow of photos taken in 1964 and 1970 by Robert Long and posted to youtube last summer, the TH&B served [[Buffalo Central Terminal]] when the terminal was operating as a [[New York Central Railroad]] station. The TH&B name appears on departures signs still posted within the terminal.<ref name="forgottenbuffalo">{{Cite video|last=Long|first=Robert|editor=Biniasz, Marty|url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeaJ7o-E0Y0|title=Forgotten Buffalo Retro Rewind, Buffalo Central Terminal 1964 & 1970|date=23 July 2011|accessdate=2012-03-11}}</ref> According to "records" uncovered at Buffalo Central Terminal (BCT) in 1990 both the TH&B and the [[Lehigh Valley Railroad]] operated out of BCT.<ref name="term_press_release">{{Cite web|last=Collison|first=Kevin |url=http://buffalocentralterminal.org/about-the-terminal/news-archive/1990-news-archive/rail-fans-mine-rich-lode-of-history-papers-in-old-terminal-detail-operations-of-long-gone-lines-1171990/|title=RAIL FANS MINE RICH LODE OF HISTORY PAPERS IN OLD TERMINAL DETAIL OPERATIONS OF LONG-GONE LINES 11/7/1990|date=7 November 1990|accessdate=2012-03-11}}</ref> According to Garnet R. Cousins writing in the October 1985 issue of ''[[Trains (magazine)|Trains]]'' the TH&B was already using the [[Buffalo – Exchange Street (Amtrak station)|Exchange Street Station]] in Buffalo, New York when the grand opening of the BCT was held on 22 June 1929.<ref name="cousins">{{Cite news|last=Cousins|first=Garnet R.|title=Beacon at mile 435.9–2 Dedication to Dethronement|work=[[Trains (magazine)|Trains]]|date=October 1985|url=http://buffalocentralterminal.org/about-the-terminal/news-archive/1985-news-archive/beacon-at-mile-4359-2-dedication-to-dethronement-101985/|accessdate=2012-03-11}}</ref> Cousins went on to mention that a newly rebuilt Exchange Street Station in downtown Buffalo "was opened August 2, 1952, when Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo train 372 arrived from Toronto at 12:59 p.m., with 10 cars in charge of an almost-new Canadian Pacific 4-6-2."<ref name="cousins"/> Cousins also wrote that TH&B service to BCT was made and historically "An era passed on March 23, 1954, with the departure of the last regularly scheduled steam passenger train at the [[Buffalo Central Terminal|Terminal]], Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo train 377 behind 4-6-4 No.501."<ref name="cousins"/> While it may be accurate to state that ''as an independent company'' the Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo might not have managed to reach either Buffalo, New York or Toronto, Ontario; it is probably more helpful to point out that, at least ''as a New York Central subsidiary'' (which it was from 1895 onward), the TH&B did provide service to both the cities of Buffalo and Toronto. [[Special:Contributions/69.115.42.244|69.115.42.244]] ([[User talk:69.115.42.244|talk]]) 16:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC) |
According to the ''Forgotten Buffalo Retro Rewind, Buffalo Central Terminal 1964 & 1970'' video slideshow of photos taken in 1964 and 1970 by Robert Long and posted to youtube last summer, the TH&B served [[Buffalo Central Terminal]] when the terminal was operating as a [[New York Central Railroad]] station. The TH&B name appears on departures signs still posted within the terminal.<ref name="forgottenbuffalo">{{Cite video|last=Long|first=Robert|editor=Biniasz, Marty|url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeaJ7o-E0Y0|title=Forgotten Buffalo Retro Rewind, Buffalo Central Terminal 1964 & 1970|date=23 July 2011|accessdate=2012-03-11}}</ref> According to "records" uncovered at Buffalo Central Terminal (BCT) in 1990 both the TH&B and the [[Lehigh Valley Railroad]] operated out of BCT.<ref name="term_press_release">{{Cite web|last=Collison|first=Kevin |url=http://buffalocentralterminal.org/about-the-terminal/news-archive/1990-news-archive/rail-fans-mine-rich-lode-of-history-papers-in-old-terminal-detail-operations-of-long-gone-lines-1171990/|title=RAIL FANS MINE RICH LODE OF HISTORY PAPERS IN OLD TERMINAL DETAIL OPERATIONS OF LONG-GONE LINES 11/7/1990|date=7 November 1990|accessdate=2012-03-11}}</ref> According to Garnet R. Cousins writing in the October 1985 issue of ''[[Trains (magazine)|Trains]]'' the TH&B was already using the [[Buffalo – Exchange Street (Amtrak station)|Exchange Street Station]] in Buffalo, New York when the grand opening of the BCT was held on 22 June 1929.<ref name="cousins">{{Cite news|last=Cousins|first=Garnet R.|title=Beacon at mile 435.9–2 Dedication to Dethronement|work=[[Trains (magazine)|Trains]]|date=October 1985|url=http://buffalocentralterminal.org/about-the-terminal/news-archive/1985-news-archive/beacon-at-mile-4359-2-dedication-to-dethronement-101985/|accessdate=2012-03-11}}</ref> Cousins went on to mention that a newly rebuilt Exchange Street Station in downtown Buffalo "was opened August 2, 1952, when Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo train 372 arrived from Toronto at 12:59 p.m., with 10 cars in charge of an almost-new Canadian Pacific 4-6-2."<ref name="cousins"/> Cousins also wrote that TH&B service to BCT was made and historically "An era passed on March 23, 1954, with the departure of the last regularly scheduled steam passenger train at the [[Buffalo Central Terminal|Terminal]], Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo train 377 behind 4-6-4 No.501."<ref name="cousins"/> While it may be accurate to state that ''as an independent company'' the Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo might not have managed to reach either Buffalo, New York or Toronto, Ontario; it is probably more helpful to point out that, at least ''as a New York Central subsidiary'' (which it was from 1895 onward), the TH&B did provide service to both the cities of Buffalo and Toronto. [[Special:Contributions/69.115.42.244|69.115.42.244]] ([[User talk:69.115.42.244|talk]]) 16:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC) |
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: OK this statement is buried well into the first section: "It never built into Toronto or Buffalo, but used its parent companies' trackage to reach the two cities." Perhaps the lead should be reworded. [[Special:Contributions/69.115.42.244|69.115.42.244]] ([[User talk:69.115.42.244|talk]]) 16:56, 11 March 2012 (UTC) |
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Service to Buffalo Central Terminal
According to the Forgotten Buffalo Retro Rewind, Buffalo Central Terminal 1964 & 1970 video slideshow of photos taken in 1964 and 1970 by Robert Long and posted to youtube last summer, the TH&B served Buffalo Central Terminal when the terminal was operating as a New York Central Railroad station. The TH&B name appears on departures signs still posted within the terminal.[1] According to "records" uncovered at Buffalo Central Terminal (BCT) in 1990 both the TH&B and the Lehigh Valley Railroad operated out of BCT.[2] According to Garnet R. Cousins writing in the October 1985 issue of Trains the TH&B was already using the Exchange Street Station in Buffalo, New York when the grand opening of the BCT was held on 22 June 1929.[3] Cousins went on to mention that a newly rebuilt Exchange Street Station in downtown Buffalo "was opened August 2, 1952, when Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo train 372 arrived from Toronto at 12:59 p.m., with 10 cars in charge of an almost-new Canadian Pacific 4-6-2."[3] Cousins also wrote that TH&B service to BCT was made and historically "An era passed on March 23, 1954, with the departure of the last regularly scheduled steam passenger train at the Terminal, Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo train 377 behind 4-6-4 No.501."[3] While it may be accurate to state that as an independent company the Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo might not have managed to reach either Buffalo, New York or Toronto, Ontario; it is probably more helpful to point out that, at least as a New York Central subsidiary (which it was from 1895 onward), the TH&B did provide service to both the cities of Buffalo and Toronto. 69.115.42.244 (talk) 16:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- OK this statement is buried well into the first section: "It never built into Toronto or Buffalo, but used its parent companies' trackage to reach the two cities." Perhaps the lead should be reworded. 69.115.42.244 (talk) 16:56, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- ^ Long, Robert (23 July 2011). Biniasz, Marty (ed.). Forgotten Buffalo Retro Rewind, Buffalo Central Terminal 1964 & 1970. Retrieved 2012-03-11.
- ^ Collison, Kevin (7 November 1990). "RAIL FANS MINE RICH LODE OF HISTORY PAPERS IN OLD TERMINAL DETAIL OPERATIONS OF LONG-GONE LINES 11/7/1990". Retrieved 2012-03-11.
- ^ a b c Cousins, Garnet R. (October 1985). "Beacon at mile 435.9–2 Dedication to Dethronement". Trains. Retrieved 2012-03-11.