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[[User:JYolkowski|JYolkowski]], thanks for the improvements to the article, I liked the improvement to the CN main pages with the new passenger train section too. There are still a few points maybe you could clarify: 1. I'm not sure what you mean by 'mixing sleeping cars' in Winnipeg. Were there two sections that met there? If so what were their numbers? 2. Did it run only from Toronto after it was restored? The routing is a bit more complicated than I realised, maybe [[User:Al guy|Al guy]] would be willing to revisit the route map after it is all straightened out... 3. Was there ever a time when sections met/split at Sudbury as with [[The Canadian]]? [[User:Fawcett5|Fawcett5]] 03:26, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
[[User:JYolkowski|JYolkowski]], thanks for the improvements to the article, I liked the improvement to the CN main pages with the new passenger train section too. There are still a few points maybe you could clarify: 1. I'm not sure what you mean by 'mixing sleeping cars' in Winnipeg. Were there two sections that met there? If so what were their numbers? 2. Did it run only from Toronto after it was restored? The routing is a bit more complicated than I realised, maybe [[User:Al guy|Al guy]] would be willing to revisit the route map after it is all straightened out... 3. Was there ever a time when sections met/split at Sudbury as with [[The Canadian]]? [[User:Fawcett5|Fawcett5]] 03:26, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
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:With regards to question 1, they were exchanged between the ''Canadian'' and the ''Super Continental'', not between two sections of the ''Super Continental''. With regard to question 2, I agree that the routing over the years is really rather complicated. I don't know for sure, but I can find no evidence that it ever ran from Montreal between 1985 and 1990. As for question 3, I'm not sure (although I would assume that something of the sort occurred). [[User:JYolkowski|JYolkowski]] 00:40, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
:With regards to question 1, they were exchanged between the ''Canadian'' and the ''Super Continental'', not between two sections of the ''Super Continental''. With regard to question 2, I agree that the routing over the years is really rather complicated. I don't know for sure, but I can find no evidence that it ever ran from Montreal between 1985 and 1990. As for question 3, I'm not sure (although I would assume that something of the sort occurred). [[User:JYolkowski|JYolkowski]] 00:40, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
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well, i can add some info, |
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the super contintental or super c for short, had a variety of cars in the early 60's and possibly early-middle 70's. |
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including heavyweight coaches, diners, rebuilt sleeper-lounges (club lounges, fort sleepers, etc) and often used fp9a's, f9b's, |
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fpa-4's and fpb-4's. |
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it was at a time, 18 cars. |
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via cars would be mixed by 1976-77 and cp cars were sometimes added after 1977. |
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the last run was nov 15 1981, the dome car seemed to be absent, but on the march 8 1981 train, it's there. |
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parts of the train would be switched in alberta: the club car that is from toronto would be switched with the super dome at winnipeg or edmonton. |
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it was revived in 1985, but lost the glory of the former 1966-1979 version. |
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the canadian domes showed up in 1985. and yes, it was called "the canadian" in 1980. |
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check out yahoo groups cnlines-cnet and canmodeltrains. |
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and a website for old cn cars--cnrphotos.com |
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Image
Well, the article is in better shape now (but please see comments embedded in the text). But please continue to improve. In particular, it is crying out for a good image, but I can't find one (that I want) that is PD or which I can reasonably claim fair use. Could anybody contribute one of their own? I am particularly hoping for one in CN green and black or CN black and white with a red-nose FP9 up front.... Fawcett5 14:22, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Domes
JYolkowski, are sure about the Montreal electrification bit...even after they got them they were only operated between Winnipeg and Vancouver, at least at first. Do you have a ref? Moreover, those particular cars were not available until the Milw. Rd. cut the Olypian Hiawatha.... and CN was too cheap to buy new. Fawcett5 22:53, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I got it from Canadian National Railway by Tom Murray, page 84: "CP's Canadian used 173 Budd-built cars, including domes, which CN was prevented from using because of the overhead wires at Central Station, Montreal" (I'll cite it later). JYolkowski 23:07, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Issues to be resolved
JYolkowski, thanks for the improvements to the article, I liked the improvement to the CN main pages with the new passenger train section too. There are still a few points maybe you could clarify: 1. I'm not sure what you mean by 'mixing sleeping cars' in Winnipeg. Were there two sections that met there? If so what were their numbers? 2. Did it run only from Toronto after it was restored? The routing is a bit more complicated than I realised, maybe Al guy would be willing to revisit the route map after it is all straightened out... 3. Was there ever a time when sections met/split at Sudbury as with The Canadian? Fawcett5 03:26, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- With regards to question 1, they were exchanged between the Canadian and the Super Continental, not between two sections of the Super Continental. With regard to question 2, I agree that the routing over the years is really rather complicated. I don't know for sure, but I can find no evidence that it ever ran from Montreal between 1985 and 1990. As for question 3, I'm not sure (although I would assume that something of the sort occurred). JYolkowski 00:40, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
well, i can add some info, the super contintental or super c for short, had a variety of cars in the early 60's and possibly early-middle 70's. including heavyweight coaches, diners, rebuilt sleeper-lounges (club lounges, fort sleepers, etc) and often used fp9a's, f9b's, fpa-4's and fpb-4's.
it was at a time, 18 cars. via cars would be mixed by 1976-77 and cp cars were sometimes added after 1977.
the last run was nov 15 1981, the dome car seemed to be absent, but on the march 8 1981 train, it's there. parts of the train would be switched in alberta: the club car that is from toronto would be switched with the super dome at winnipeg or edmonton.
it was revived in 1985, but lost the glory of the former 1966-1979 version. the canadian domes showed up in 1985. and yes, it was called "the canadian" in 1980.
check out yahoo groups cnlines-cnet and canmodeltrains. and a website for old cn cars--cnrphotos.com