User talk:Egg Centric

TheIrishWarden

When have I been trolling? TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 15:27, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

I thought I should give you a head's up, although trolling is perhaps the wrong word. Not that I can prove anything yet. Egg Centric 15:30, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Prove what exactly? I want to know what is going on as messages from a random person threatening my user is slightly odd. TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 15:32, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Can you please explain what I have done wrong? Have I accidentally broken a rule or offended you in any way? TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 15:33, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

User:Egg Centric, you're confusing me, too. Can you help me understand what you are seeing in this user's contributions? A new user patrolling ip edits is a little unusual, but I started on patrolling right away when I was new, too, and the edits I looked at seemed appropriate... am I missing the ones you looked at? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:37, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

I've been waiting for twinkle to activate, so the last few weeks I've played around with twinkle started to learn how to use it, and then a few weeks back I started doing recent changes sweeps and mostly IP edits as I find they usually have the most vandal activity. TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 15:39, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Responded via email. Egg Centric 16:51, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

You have not broken any rules or offended me in any way. I don't believe we have interacted at all. Continue (and I suppose feel free to email) Egg Centric 16:52, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Send the MSG on here I didn't get email. TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 18:21, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

No. You can email me if you want. Otherwise I do not intend to engage you. Egg Centric 21:36, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Egg, of I may say so you are acting very weird about this and not making a whole lot of sense. I don't know how you can warn someone for trolling and then say you haven't interacted with them at all when they ask you to explain why you made those cryptic remarks. I'm assuming this is not another failed attempt at humor, but none of know what it actually is. Generally if you have an accusation to make you should either post evidence supporting your position or keep it entirely to yourself. You have instead elected to make an accusation and then refuse to explain it. It's more than fair for IrishWarden to ask you explain yourself inn the same forum that you chose to make that accusation in the first place. Beeblebrox (talk)

Fine. The guy's obviously up to no good but I can't tell in exactly what way. He's new to online encyclopedias yet already, by his own account, loves admins and hates vandals. Eleven minutes after registering, he installs twinkle. For an hour afterwards he works on his user page. His user page prettied up, around 90 minutes after registering he's reverting vandalism (or so he claims in the edit summary). Of course, by the next day his user page does contain the question "Was Hitler the best Politician ever? - Share your thoughts on my talk page" but that's not a problem because "please note I do not support what Hitler did this thought is just to see what people think". Why does he care what fellow Wikipedians think about such a trollish topic after less than 24 hours here, alledgedly? What does this edit, again in the first day (more or less) mean, especially with respect to his current signature?

And that hasn't even required me looking at any of the edits in July!

There is not a shadow of doubt in my mind that something is amiss here. The most charitable explanation is that he is a former vandal who is now a "poacher turned gamekeeper". If that is correct then he should admit it, if not publicly then by email. It is not hard to come up with less charitable explanations.

None of that is to say that the above is evidence that should convince an impartial jury beyond reasonable doubt nor do I advocate that he ought to be blocked because of it, because so much of it is stuff that adds to a gut feeling that I can't fully express. But I'm convinced I'm correct. Egg Centric 22:16, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

He is under no obligation to admit anything to you or to anyone else. The question on his talkpage is admittedly in very bad taste, but the rest of your "evidence" can easily be dismissed if we assume good faith, as we always should barring direct evidence that a user is acting in bad faith. I'm speaking from personal experience here, if you use too much of your own imagination when vandal fighting, you will eventually make a seriously embarassing mistake and jyou could alienate a user who could have become a long term contributor. A much better way to approach this, instead of making vague accusations, would have been to politely ask him why he would put such an inflammatory comment on his user page and how he thought it would help Wikipedia improve to do such a thing. the rest of what you say about the teahouse edit and his current signature... I have no idea what you are implying and I doubt he does either. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:47, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm not interested in proving anything to anyone. The only reason I have responded to anything here, on wiki, is out of respect for yourself. Nevertheless my time only goes so far and I am not going to produce a report analysing every edit he made, I just took a quick look there so that I had something to provide give you and show my thoughts were not completely basis-less. I have no doubt if my life depended upon it I could put together a very comprehensive dossier but in the end the proof of the pudding is in the eating and if he is an editor in good standing in six months' time I shall apologize. Egg Centric 22:54, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

if you look at my talk page I was told to install twinkle and the person said try and revert vandal without twinkle initially. Secondly look at bottom of user page, someone made the template for me.nTheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 07:12, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

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'control trolling'

I sent this msg to the IP:

Oh sorry about that, I just look for vandalism and obviously putting gay pimp may seem like a personal attack to the person. I am deeply sorry about that, I shall either leave or check about things in future. You have taught me a lesson! I have been on here for a few weeks and have progressed a lot quickly and I still have much to learn so if you have any problem in the future with any of my edits please tell me what I have done wrong. If you messages me and said I was wrong I would have removed the warning, it has blown a bit out of proportion for an bad edit. Also it was tagged as a vandalism edit and Cluebot had previously reverted it also the edit summary saying 'he was a gay pimp' made it look like vandalism. Sorry about that. Thanks TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 3:48 pm, Today (UTC+1) [edit]

You should have told me about what I did wrong, next time I will have to report you for not assuming good faith and personal attacks as it was pure bullying. It is unacceptable and I will stand for it — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheIrishWarden (talk • contribs) 15:00, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Protip: inviting scruitiny of your edits will not end well for you*, at least not if it attracts the right kind of editor. Anyone with a background of dealing with trolls can see what you are up to. Note that neither that IP, Gareth, or me as far as I know have any connection with one another at all but it's immediately apparent to us. Egg Centric 15:05, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

*well, except in the sense that it could cause a lot of drama, which I suppose you may consider a result

P.S. If, however, I am wrong, you have nothing to worry about. I haven't got the power to block you and even if I had I wouldn't, at least not yet. You have not been sanctioned at all. Just edit productively and I will eat my hat. Egg Centric 15:09, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I am not putting any scrutiny on my edits except the mistake I made. I really see no reason why this went so out of proportion. The user should contact me saying that I had made a mistake. I am not a troll and if you do think I am tell me your proof. I will listen to your reply and thats the last I am communicating with you. TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 15:31, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

This is the end of this, I have sought external advice and they said my user and contributions are fine and in order. I wish not to hear from any of you again. TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 17:32, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the Bill Duke edit 'gay pimp' and subsequent waves it has caused, I'd like to point out that I never received a message from TIW as described atop this section. --83.119.142.202 (talk) 14:30, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

That article

It wasn't a correct image path so it didn't show the image. There's no point having a random load of letters. Look at the version previous to mine: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Sata&oldid=501591587 then compare it to my revision: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Sata&oldid=501591638. The image path was incorrect so didn't show the image, I wasn't going to leave it there. Please stop monitoring my edits it's starting to looks slightly weird. TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 18:48, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

The "random load of letters", as I explained, were an example of Data URI scheme. Egg Centric 19:10, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

You are presenting the appearance of harassment

Maybe User:TheIrishWarden is a troll, hiding disruptive edits beneath a cover of useful ones. Maybe, when he makes an incorrect edit, it is not because he is a brand new user but because he is trying to deliberately disrupt the encyclopedia. If so, gather the diffs that show that, and request a block at WP:ANI. What you're doing now, although you may not realize it, makes you look very odd and a little creepy, as if you were harassing a new user for no obvious reason. I know you don't intend to do that. Because you're a decent person, and also because you know that presenting the appearance of harassment only complicates the matter if you are right. So I'm asking you, please, to either (a) Make your case clearly at ANI, (b) Quietly watch until this user either becomes a little more obviously trolling or convinces you that he's editing in good faith, or (c) just leave him alone. Is that reasonable? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:50, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I really want to learn and co-operate with you I don't want to 'disrupt' wikipedia in anyway, I just made some bad edits. When you were new you must have made mistakes and look 95% of my edit history is good. I just made a bad judgement on the 'gay perve' case and gave the wrong warning with the image case (later reclassified the warning). I hope we can become civil, work together and maybe you could teach me some stuff. TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 18:57, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

It's no trouble, I'm going with (b). Thanks for the heads up btw, I am no stranger to making the wrong impression! Egg Centric 19:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Help with file

The IP who I have warning to badly wants the file added. I've uploaded the file: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Michael_Sata_pic.jpeg could you be kind enough to add it to the Michael Sata article? Thanks for choosing b) you'll see that I will become more careful. TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 19:14, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Heh I was already on teh case Template params are case sensitive. Egg Centric 19:16, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

can you give me any suggestions about how I could be less of a 'troll as such ' TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 19:21, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

edit only mainspace for the next 1000 edits, avoiding commenting on any other user in edit summaries. Egg Centric 19:45, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean by main scape? TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 20:33, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

can I still revert vandalism, war users and then if I have to report them ( past 4th warning )? TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 20:51, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

You can do whatever you like, it is just my strong suggestion that you don't interact with anyone other than to ask questions of experienced editors. Egg Centric 20:54, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

What I'm going to do Is only revert vandalism if I am sure it is vandalism and if unsure I will ask someone or leave it alone. I'm sure I can ask you if I have any worries or questions. TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 21:09, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

It would probably be better if you asked someone else. {{helpme}} would be an option... Egg Centric 21:16, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

ok, well I now know what's right and wrong and 99% of my edits are good so I don't have anything to worry bou. TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 21:19, 10 July 2012 (UTC)