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Mit jelent az a szó, hogy "dzéta"?

What does the word "dzéta" mean?

Thanks.

hu:dzéta Qorilla (talk) 12:25, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Ö and Ö

There is not only a difference between the length but also in the way pronounced short 'ö' and long 'ö', long 'ö' is closed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.2.106.137 (talk) 22:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

English examples

Any chance of some English approximations, from someone who knows a bit about Hungarian phonology? Lfh (talk) 14:42, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

assimilation

Moving the nice assimilation tables here, as they're too complex for a simple IPA key. Will add some of their examples to the key. For length, we'll want a new section, but without so much detail. We just need people to recognize the IPA when they see it. kwami (talk) 18:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Assimilations Before Letter IPA Example Nasal place assimilation p, b, m n m színpad f, v n ɱ különféle m hamvas ty, gy, ny n ɲ pinty k, g n ŋ munka Voice assimilation p, t, c, cs, k, ty, f, sz, s, h b p dobtam d t adhat dz ts edzhet dzs tʃ bridzstől g k fogtam gy c ágytól v f szívtam z s méztől zs ʃ rúzstól b, d, dz, dzs, g, gy, z, zs p b képzés t d hétből c dz ketrecben cs dʒ ácsból k ɡ zsákból ty ɟ pintyből f v széfben sz z mészből s ʒ hasba Elision of [l] r l r balra

Assimilations Letter 1 Letter 2 IPA Example Sibilant assimilation consonant sz tsː metszet c nádcukor s tʃː kétség cs hegycsúcs sz s ʃː egészség z község sz zs ʒː vadászzsákmány z száraz zsömle s sz sː kisszerű zs varázsszer s z zː tilos zóna zs parázs zene Platal assimilation gy j ɟː nagyja d adja l jː tolja n ɲː unja ny hányja t cː látja ty atyja d gy ɟː hadgyakorlat t nemzetgyűlés d ty cː vadtyúk t hat tyúk d ny ɟɲ dʲɲ lúdnyak t cɲ tʲɲ átnyúlik

Doubled consonants

Are we really representing long consonants with a long marker? Why not just put a second consonant? — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} 22:09, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

That's fine. I found Jobbik using the IPA-en template, and I couldn't tell if it was supposed to be English, or was Hungarian in the wrong template. I don't even know if it has an English pronunciation. So I switched to IPA-hu, but was missing the gemination, so added that. I'll go ahead and change it. — kwami (talk) 23:11, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

That's not the Hungarian pronunciation. That would be with [o]. And what is the problem with long markers? There is a difference between a long b and two bs, one after the other (both occours in Hungarian, however the latter is very rare). - Matthew Beta (talk) 14:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

You're saying that Hungarian makes a contrast between [bb] and [bː]? I'm very skeptical.

How does the literature transcribe long consonants? — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} 19:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Per The Phonology of Hungarian, Péter Siptár & Miklós Törkenczy, p. 189, it would seem that assimilated clusters are normally reduced to geminates, apart from affricates, which are "fake geminates" ([tsts] etc) except in very fast speech. — kwami (talk) 20:50, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Ambiguous "English approximation"

The English approximation for ø is listed as "nurse". This is ambiguous as the typical American English pronunciation is /nəɻs/, where the typical British English pronunciation is /nɜːs/. Which is it, and is there a less ambiguous approximation? --Oldak Quill 17:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the typical American English pronunciation is [ɝ], which differs from the British one in the shape of the tongue. In both instances, this vowel is the closest English approximation. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} 01:16, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

English approximations for vowel length

I think better examples for the phonemes that contrast by length would be English minimal pairs that also differ (allophonically) in vowel length. So "need" and "neat", "mood" and "moot". framed0000 20:28, 11 September 2012 (UTC)