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I've written a rebuttal to why this wikipedia page should NOT be deleted.
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===[[At Dawn (novel)]]===
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While I don't know the exact protocol to officially repudiate a Request for Deletion, I hope the response I'm writing here will be sufficient enough for why I believe that prematurely deleting this page will be a grave mistake. With that, I find Tokyogirl79's comments to be absurd and, for reasons beyond me, negatively biased towards Jobie Hughes as though her remarks are meant to be personal and done solely out of spite. To counter her first claim, i.e., that the book is not notable, I couldn't disagree more. This is the debut literary novel from a very established writer whose first two books both hit #1 on the New York Times bestsellers list, and collectively held onto the top spot for 10 total weeks. Though "At Dawn" is being marketed as a "debut," Jobie Hughes is not a debut author, nor is he somebody coming onto the scene for the first time. He's established to the point that he's had a blockbuster Hollywood film adapted from his first novel by DreamWorks Studios. While I agree with Tokyogirl79 that two reviews are insufficient by themselves, let's not forget that the book is still a full week away from being published. Per the author's own website, he'll be kicking off a four-city book tour that begins this Saturday, Oct. 19th, and will include seven different book signing/reading events in addition to three individual radio interviews. Based on this publicity alone, and given his publishing background and the feature articles that have been written on him in the past (one in the Wall Street Journal, another in New York Magazine--both of which are used as citations on the author's main wikipedia page), I think it's safe to assume many more reviews and interviews will be forthcoming leading up to the book's release... In response to Tokyogirl79's claim of copyvio evidenced by the book jacket summary being used in the article... She was right, the old synopsis did in fact use the book jacket synopsis pretty much verbatim. But since I was one of the fortunate few to receive an early galley of Mr. Hughes's novel two months ago, I have rewritten the article's synopsis so that plagiarism is no longer an issue while the integrity of the synopsis remains in place and is as strong as it originally was. Furthermore, I believe the content of this page is very neutral, and contains nothing promotional whatsoever aside from the only two reviews currently available, both of which are glowingly positive. But when did including Critical Reception become a promotional ploy? To use Tokyogirl79's own words, "I can't say for certain that it'll receive any more publicity than it already has." No, she can't. Which is precisely why I believe deleting this article is premature, especially when the book hasn't even been released. I firmly believe the publicity has only just begun, and it's my greatest hope that the editors who decide the fate of such pages will give this particular page a fighting chance. As an author with strong publishing credentials, I believe Jobie Hughes is owed that much. [[User:ohioana|ohioana]] ([[User talk:ohioana|talk]]) 21:16, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
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At Dawn (novel)

While I don't know the exact protocol to officially repudiate a Request for Deletion, I hope the response I'm writing here will be sufficient enough for why I believe that prematurely deleting this page will be a grave mistake. With that, I find Tokyogirl79's comments to be absurd and, for reasons beyond me, negatively biased towards Jobie Hughes as though her remarks are meant to be personal and done solely out of spite. To counter her first claim, i.e., that the book is not notable, I couldn't disagree more. This is the debut literary novel from a very established writer whose first two books both hit #1 on the New York Times bestsellers list, and collectively held onto the top spot for 10 total weeks. Though "At Dawn" is being marketed as a "debut," Jobie Hughes is not a debut author, nor is he somebody coming onto the scene for the first time. He's established to the point that he's had a blockbuster Hollywood film adapted from his first novel by DreamWorks Studios. While I agree with Tokyogirl79 that two reviews are insufficient by themselves, let's not forget that the book is still a full week away from being published. Per the author's own website, he'll be kicking off a four-city book tour that begins this Saturday, Oct. 19th, and will include seven different book signing/reading events in addition to three individual radio interviews. Based on this publicity alone, and given his publishing background and the feature articles that have been written on him in the past (one in the Wall Street Journal, another in New York Magazine--both of which are used as citations on the author's main wikipedia page), I think it's safe to assume many more reviews and interviews will be forthcoming leading up to the book's release... In response to Tokyogirl79's claim of copyvio evidenced by the book jacket summary being used in the article... She was right, the old synopsis did in fact use the book jacket synopsis pretty much verbatim. But since I was one of the fortunate few to receive an early galley of Mr. Hughes's novel two months ago, I have rewritten the article's synopsis so that plagiarism is no longer an issue while the integrity of the synopsis remains in place and is as strong as it originally was. Furthermore, I believe the content of this page is very neutral, and contains nothing promotional whatsoever aside from the only two reviews currently available, both of which are glowingly positive. But when did including Critical Reception become a promotional ploy? To use Tokyogirl79's own words, "I can't say for certain that it'll receive any more publicity than it already has." No, she can't. Which is precisely why I believe deleting this article is premature, especially when the book hasn't even been released. I firmly believe the publicity has only just begun, and it's my greatest hope that the editors who decide the fate of such pages will give this particular page a fighting chance. As an author with strong publishing credentials, I believe Jobie Hughes is owed that much. ohioana (talk) 21:16, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm nominating this after an ongoing reversion war with an editor, since this is one of the most neutral ways to go about this without continuing with the reversion war. The issue is that this book is not notable right now and might never be. There are only two usable reviews out there, one for Publishers Weekly and one for Kirkus Reviews, only one of which is actually linked in the article. Two reviews are not enough to show notability. There's a link to the author's page for a review from another author, but we only get the blurb and have no way of knowing exactly whether or not the quote is taken in context or not. That's another issue with the page: it suffers from a non-neutral point of view and reads as highly promotional. There's also some original research going on in the article, with the content being sourced by primary sources that don't entirely back up everything in the article. I've also noticed a rampant amount of copyvio, as evidenced by the bookjacket summary being used in the article. WHile the article for Hughes needs work as well, I initially redirected it to the author's page but the reversions have gotten so bad and there's a good argument for outright deleting the page, so I'm listing it here. The book is listed as publishing on the 16th, but is already available for sale so I can't say for certain that it'll receive any more publicity than it already has. We can't keep an article based on the idea that it might eventually get reviews. That violates WP:CRYSTAL. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 19:02, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. It did occur to me to suggest redirecting this to the author's page but I will bow to Tokyogirl79's hands-on experience; I know how frustrating these reversion wars can be for the well-intentioned patroller and she's given this more thought than I have. I do not believe that this meets any of the five criteria of WP:BKCRIT, although the two reviews are, as she says, usable. If at some future point the book meets any of the categories, the article can go to deletion review. Ubelowme U Me 20:41, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]