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2013 Berlin helicopter crash

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Fails WP:EVENT and WP:GNG. Helicopter crashes are common, it was an exercise. Nobody notable killed. WP:NOTNEWS applies also.

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. ...William 20:49, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. ...William 20:49, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. ...William 20:49, 22 March 2013 (UTC) ...William 20:49, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

• Keep. The event meets GNG because of international coverage and extended national media attention. Even the federal parliament of Germany will now debate this accident in a discussion about the structure of the federal police forces, so there may be a political aftermath. As to your other arguments, how is the fact that this happened during an exercise affecting its relevance? Train stations and ships are also common, and yet we have a plethora of articles about them. De728631 (talk) 21:52, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Let me also quote from WP:EVENT: "It may take weeks or months to determine whether or not an event has a lasting effect. This does not, however, mean recent events with unproven lasting effect are automatically non-notable." De728631 (talk) 21:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

• Keep - Quite notable. Just because nobody notable died doesn't mean that the event isn't notable. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 22:33, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
• Keep - In this case, notability seems clear; while helicopters do tend to fail at beating the air into submission fairly regularly, a collision, of police helicopters, with the political repercussions from it, adds up to this being a notable incident. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:43, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of News-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:21, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

• Delete - a non-event according to WP. Also there are no "political repercussions" as user Bushranger stated, or even "parlamentarial debates", as user De728631 (the almost sole contributor) boasted. Quite to the contrary it was made very clear that there won´t be any parlamentarial investigations, e.g. here, on german. Furthermore users "De728631" sole intention for this article in EN:WP seems to be to bolster the german article, which is currently also under deletion discussen ("looky looky - even en:wp has it !!!1!11!") - IMHO a very appalling move. 212.23.103.66 (talk) 11:07, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Instead of second-guessing my intentions (assume good faith?) you might want to read the source again you quoted. While there won't be an official parliamentary investigation, Bosbach has announced that the interior commission will discuss the accident in a debate with minister Friedrich. This is clearly a political dimension that has been added to the event. And the Berlin state parliament will at least debate the accident on 15 April: "Auch im Abgeordnetenhaus soll das Unglück auf die Tagesordnung der nächsten Sitzung am 15. April, wird wohl im Rahmen des Punktes „Besondere Vorkommnisse“ besprochen, so der SPD-Abgeordnete Thomas Kleineidam." (Also in the House of Delegates, the accident shall be put on the agenda of the next session on 15 April, and will presumably be dealt with along the item of 'special incidents', said SPD MP T. Kleineidam.) [1] De728631 (talk) 14:02, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
  • First of all: This smells like hounding. Then, no "second guessing" necessary, since it is plain obvious. See here on the german deletion debate (16:58, 22. Mär. 2013 (CET), "Die englische Wikipedia hat sich dem Thema nun auch angenommen" - "en:wp has it, too!!1!") OnT.: In that very article it is very clearly stated "Eine parlamentarische Untersuchung des Unglücks ist im Bundestag oder im Abgeordnetenhaus bisher nicht geplant." ("No investigation, neither in parliament nor in chamber!"). Nobody cares what Mr. Bosbach says. He is a well-known attention-whore and will speak even to microphone-dummies. That said, deletion is the only way to go. 212.23.103.30 (talk) 09:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
• Delete. ... most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, stories lacking lasting value ... whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable ... - here: WP:NEWSEVENT. --Ben Ben (talk) 12:34, 23 March 2013 (UTC)