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== "Hear him whip the women" or "Hear him with the women" ? ==
== "Hear him whip the women" or "Hear him with the women" ? ==


The article mentions the lyric as "whip" but both external lyrics sites have it as "with". Googling shows both versions are common on lyrics sites, and in casual discussions on the internet it is a subject of debate. If an authoritative site cannot be found, perhaps a note should be added saying it's uncertain. [[User:Marteau|Marteau]] ([[User talk:Marteau|talk]]) 00:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
The article mentions the lyric as "whip" but both external lyrics sites have it as "with". Googling shows both versions are common on lyrics sites, and in casual discussions on the internet it is a subject of debate. If an authoritative site cannot be found, perhaps a note should be added saying it's uncertain. [[User:Marteau|Marteau]] ([[User talk:Marteau|talk]]) 00:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC) Keith Richards book 'Life' Page 276 Jim Dickinson says 'So if I have a footnote to rock-and-roll history, that's it, because by God "hear him whip the women" is in there because of me'[[User:Bettybutt|Betty Butt]] ([[User talk:Bettybutt|talk]])

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"Marsha Hunt is the inspiration of the Stones' hit "Brown Sugar".

This is a sentence taken from the article on Marsha Hunt (singer and novelist). The article on "Brown Sugar" is rather long, but this fact is not mentioned anywhere. Is it true? <KF> 20:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC) No, it's clearly stated elsewhere what the inspiration of Brown Sugar is (see Jaggar's interview in Rolling Stone magazine. But hey, why not include a little whimsy in this section and keep Marsha Hunt mentioned?[reply]

Wow, the girl must have been like putty in his hands after he wrote this song about her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.65.137.32 (talk) 17:26, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I think this article is slightly better in "start class" and deserves to be one step above "start class". I say that because a vast majority of the article is well referenced. However, I don't want to single-handedly change it's classification. Can someone else do this?? V Schauf (talk) 21:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Subject matter

I'm aware that this is pretty trivial, but I removed the use of "brown sugar" as a slang for heroin. Brown sugar is also slang for an attractive black woman, and that definition fits in with the rest of the stated topic matter of the song. However, I've also heard that the entire song is about heroin with slavery as a metaphor (although why would there be so much detail about the sexual aspects?). Maybe someone could clear this up and even cite a source for it...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.60.65 (talkcontribs) 6:51 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Brown sugar was slang for heroin. Jagger says this in the "Jagger Remembers" interview. Use of the term to describe an attractive black person may have been popularized by this song. / edg 13:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I made the additions, because I thought that Jaggar's direct quotes from the "Jaggar Remembers" interview in Rolling Stone illuminates his view of the song, why its successful and really, the state of mind of the period which was essential in creating the song. In other words, Jaggar said that he would have never written "Brown Sugar" in the 1990s. However, in a less politically-correct era, "Brown Sugar" was composed and released to the general public! I also understand that the inspiration/success of the song is stated twice in 2 different quotations, I don't believe that really takes away from the article. The Rolling Stone article better explains what Jaggar thought made the song successful than the 1993 article, but I didn't feel it was necessary to delete the previous quote. V Schauf (talk) 21:38, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Where in the All Music article does the reviewer talk about cunnilingus? I'm with you all on heroin and sadomasochism but where is the lost virginity and the cunnilingus? I guess my point is maybe we should get out of the business of interpreting songs ourselves. I'm not saying it's not there, I just don't see where it's coming from. Atrivedi (talk) 22:29, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's in the part about "How come you taste so good" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugsguy (talkcontribs) 19:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Open G tuning on the guitar riff by Keith Richards

Can someone maybe mention that this song is one of the first couple of songs Keith put out with the Open G tuning? I believe Honky Tonk Women came out first, but, I think this was the 2nd one? 70.197.206.202 (talk) 19:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The Nashville tuning is obviously interesting and should be included, I think, but I'm not sure the sort of general necessity. On the other hand, I see it on a lot of other songs. I'll see if I can dig it up, unless I'm missing it's inclusion already. Atrivedi (talk) 22:32, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Recording Date: Primary Source?

The radio program The World reported today that Brown Sugar was recorded on December 3, 1969 and not over three days. Does anyone have a primary source for the recording date(s)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMightyHercules (talkcontribs) 22:30, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The 1998 Pepsi Ad

Does anyone remember whether the fly is singing the song in a sped-up "chipmunk" voice, as is seen on most available versions of the ad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KqUBB0T4Ro

Originally, I claim to remember the fly character's voice sounding akin to Barry White than Alvin & the Chipmunks. Can anyone else clarify this? May this lead me to believe there are two ads (one with the fly doing the Barry White vocals and the other with the Chipmunk vocals)?

WikiPro1981X (talk) 11:07, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Hear him whip the women" or "Hear him with the women" ?

The article mentions the lyric as "whip" but both external lyrics sites have it as "with". Googling shows both versions are common on lyrics sites, and in casual discussions on the internet it is a subject of debate. If an authoritative site cannot be found, perhaps a note should be added saying it's uncertain. Marteau (talk) 00:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC) Keith Richards book 'Life' Page 276 Jim Dickinson says 'So if I have a footnote to rock-and-roll history, that's it, because by God "hear him whip the women" is in there because of me'Betty Butt (talk)[reply]