User talk:Gaborlewis

April 2014

Hello, I'm Tgeorgescu. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Pornography addiction without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! Tgeorgescu (talk) 20:57, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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Tgeorgescu (talk) 16:39, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

I removed it again because it is a false statement.

Ley, Prause and Finn did not cite any study in their review to support their claim that deltafosb is not involved with sex. Below are a few of many citations that refute the sentence under question, and fully support that delatfosb is involved in sexual reward and the sensitization of the nucleus accumbens to sexual reward.

Delta JunD overexpression in the nucleus accumbens prevents sexual reward in female Syrian hamsters (2013) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23790091#

DeltaFosB Overexpression In The Nucleus Accumbens Enhances Sexual Reward In Female Syrian Hamsters (2009) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2736637/

DeltaFosB in The Nucleus Accumbens is Critical For Reinforcing Effects of Sexual Reward. (2010) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2970635/?tool=pubmed

DeltaFosB: A Molecular Switch for Reward (2013) http://www.ashdin.com/journals/JDAR/235651.pdf

Natural and Drug Rewards Act on Common Neural Plasticity Mechanisms with ΔFosB as a Key Mediator (2013) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3865508/

Natural reward experience alters AMPA and NMDA receptor distribution and function in the nucleus accumbens (2012) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22529926#

Neuroplasticity in the Mesolimbic System Induced by Natural Reward and Subsequent Reward Abstinence. (2010) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2854191/?tool=pubmed

The Influence of ΔFosB in the Nucleus Accumbens on Natural Reward Related Behavior (2008) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2653197/

Transcriptional mechanisms of addiction: role of ΔFosB (2008) http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/363/1507/3245.short Gaborlewis (talk) 00:53, 1 May 2014 (UTC)Gaborlewis

The word "addiction" was missing from the phrase. Without it, it was incorrect. With it, it is correct. Your sources don't prove otherwise. Tgeorgescu (talk) 13:45, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Do you actually read edit summaries and your own talk page? I got the impression that you ignore both. I don't know if you do it on purpose, but I have explained that that phrase used to be incorrect and meanwhile I had corrected it to state what Ley, Prause and Finn really state in their paper. Tgeorgescu (talk) 15:55, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

alk:Tgeorgescu#top|talk]]) 15:47, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Gaborlewis (talk) 16:30, 1 May 2014 (UTC)Gaborlewis It seems as though you do not read anything. The sentence under question is false - and you can only Cite David Ley, who has never done research of any kind, While I am citing multiple studies and and the world's expert on Deltafosb. So this is how wikipedia is run? How do we resolve when one person can only cite a blogger, and the other cites multiple peer-reviewed studies?

The Ley, Prause and Finn review has been thoroughly discredited. Their discussion of deltafosb is nonsensical. See - The Emperor Has No Clothes: A Fractured Fairytale Posing As A Review http://pornstudycritiques.com/the-emperor-has-no-clothes-a-fractured-fairytale-posing-as-a-review/

Please stop citing Ley. He has never published any research. The worlds expert of Dletafosb, and one of the top addiction researchers in the world disagrees Eric Nestler with Ley. On his lab's website he sates:

QUESTION: Do these changes occur naturally in your brain without the influence of a drug of abuse?

ANSWER: “It is likely that similar brain changes occur in other pathological conditions which involve the excessive consumption of natural rewards, conditions such as pathological over-eating, pathological gambling, sex addictions, and so on.”Gaborlewis (talk) 16:16, 1 May 2014 (UTC)Gaborlewis

If you are going to cite Ley, who has never done research, then the the worlds expert on Deltafosb needs equal airtime - As does the analysis of the Ley review. I will placing BOTH wherever that pseudo-review, and it's nonsense about deltafosb appears.

By the way how do we settle arguments on wikipedia?

If you think that Ley, Prause and Finn paper would be unreliable, you could start a topic about it at WP:RSN. Meanwhile, another editor deleted all references to Delta FosB from the article, since such hunch has not been validated by research. Tgeorgescu (talk) 16:42, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Gaborlewis (talk) 19:26, 1 May 2014 (UTC)Gaborlewis. So there are several gatekeepers like you who cite Ley's so called review as an opposition to hard data from actual addiction researchers. Your citation of a quote from a salon.com interview where Ley makes a complete mess of DeltaFosb, and misrepresents the science, is simply astounding. This is quite a lesson in how Wikipedia really works.

Some problems with your source: it's a blog, and blogs aren't generally seen as reliable sources; it's anonymous (if it were the blog of a full professor at a reputable university, it could still be quoted as expressing his own views on the subject). Blogs don't trump peer-reviewed papers. These being said, all references to Delta FosB have been removed from the article, and you won't get them back through attacking Ley, Prause and Finn, but only through citing peer-reviewed papers published in reputable journals which explicitly say that Delta FosB is tied to sex addiction (i.e. not to natural reward for sex, but to "sex addiction", mentioned verbatim). Since as these authors claim, many papers discussing sex addiction lack empirical data, we could only accept articles which actually have some empirical research to back them up. I told you to open a topic at WP:RSN if you want Ley, Prause and Finn's paper banned from being cited inside Wikipedia. Tgeorgescu (talk) 20:10, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Gaborlewis (talk) 23:13, 1 May 2014 (UTC)Gaborlewis. The authors in the review made several claims in their text, but the citations did not match the text, or did not back up their claims. In addition, Ley, et al dismissed all peer-reviewed studies that contradicted their claims.

And your proof is... a blog post? Anyway, denial of denial does not amount to affirmation, so even if WP:RSN would decide to remove all references to Ley, Prause and Finn, it still won't provide evidence that Delta FosB would be tied to sex addiction or porn addiction. Tgeorgescu (talk) 23:50, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Privately, I am prepared to admit that Dr. Richard Krueger might be right, i.e. that someday (say ten or twenty years later) sex addiction could be recognized as a real addiction, meaning that while it cannot affect the large majority of people, it creates psychological problems in a small percentage of the population. The problem is that Wikipedia has to reflect the evidence available in 2014, we have no access in 2014 to the evidence from 2024 or from 2034. That's what WP:BALL means. Tgeorgescu (talk) 00:06, 2 May 2014 (UTC)