Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Mangojuice

Mangojuice

Discuss here (15/1/2) ending 19:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Mangojuice (talk · contribs) – Mangojuice is perhaps one of the best personifications of what a sysop on Wikipedia should be. In my experiences with the user, I have found him/her to possess an almost encyclopedic knowledge of guidelines and policy relating to Wikipedia and, more importantly, how they should be used and enforced. (S)He is a top-notch vandal-whacker and a defender of the integrity of Wikipedia. On the other hand, (S)he is also always civil in his dealings with other users and is brimming with assumptions of good faith. If you look through his/her edits and his/her talk page, you will find dozens of messages from users thanking him/her for kindly pointing out issues with their edits. When confronted with a hostile or semi-hostile user,(s)he calmy defuses the situation and builds the sort of bridges that turn potential trolls into potential admins. Giving this editor the mop will help contribute to the goal of producing a top-notch encyclopedia for everyone. youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 14:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I humbly accept. Mangojuice^talk 16:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Support

1. Support as nom. youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 16:48, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
2. Support. Seen user's work, no doubts for me. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 19:34, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
3. Support this user will definitely not abuse the admin tools and meets all my standards for adminship. (S)he made one mistake, which CrzRussian pointed out, but that is not a reason to oppose for adminship, especially now that Mangojuice apologized. —Mets501 (talk) 19:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
4. Support Good number of edits, and as I always support those who commit to the vandal fight, I give you my support, good luck with the nomination. Abcdefghijklm 19:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
5. Support Have found editor to be helpful and assertive. GChriss 20:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
6. Support with cliche, "I thought this editor was an admin". Well articulated answers, clearly states philosophy on user and talk page, does great work, well qualified. Agent 86 20:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
7. Support good editor Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 20:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
8. Support I like what I see. --Mr. Lefty _{Talk to me!} 21:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
9. Support per nom. Roy A.A. 21:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
10. Support Rama's Arrow 23:12, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
11. Support I believe the incident involving db-corp was a learning experience, and the lesson was learned. It's necessary for one to make mistakes so that they are exposed and solved, if not, both the user and the project will be harmed. Yanksox ^(talk) 23:28, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
12. Support. I liked his approach to the academics notability guideline. I have no concerns about giving this user admin powers. -- Avenue 00:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
13. Support. DarthVader 00:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
14. I support.--Kungfu Adam ^(talk) 01:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
15. Support. -lethe ^{talk +} 02:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Unfortunate but Firm Oppose. I think Mangojuice is a terrific editor, and has many quantities that would serve s/him well as a sysop. I have known the user a long time, and can attest to s/his dedication, especially to the prod patrolling project. S/His deproddings, though more frequent than I would have preferred them to be, have always been well-reasoned and often correct. I had even offered to co-nominate s/him in the past. HOWEVER, one incident absolutely compels me to oppose this RfA. On May 30th, less than a month ago, I was reviewing CAT:CSD, when I encountered a template that Mango created, Template:db-corp, which redirected to {{db-bio}}. This was an awful misreading of policy and widespread community consensus that articles on companies are absolutely not speedyable under WP:CSD A7. As a result, I cannot support at this time. However, should this RfA fail, I will be more than happy to support in three months, if Mango demonstrates improvement in s/his knowledge of policy. My apologies to the nominee. - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll admit, I haven't studied the policies I can't apply myself as much as the ones I can. I know notability guidelines and WP:V, WP:NPOV, and WP:NOT much better, for instance, because I as an average user have to work with those policies. It's been my impression that you feel that creating {{db-corp}} was akin to creating a new criteria for speedy deletion: I don't think that's true, and that wasn't the intention. My intention was to create a template to help people espouse a reason for speedy deletion; I had seen at least a handful of articles tagged as speedy candidates for this kind of reason, often with {{db-group}}, so I created db-corp to point to db-group (and then, probably, noticed the double-redirect and made it point to db-bio). As soon as Crz brought this to my attention, I agreed to deletion of the template, and if I'd been aware of this specific discussion beforehand, I wouldn't have done this. Mangojuice^talk 17:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Neutral Good editor, but I like a little more experience in my administrators. Maybe in a few months I will reconsider, but as for now, not yet. --WillMak050389 19:54, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

   You don't mean experience in time, do you? Because he's been around since January 05, not 06. —Mets501 (talk) 20:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

2. Neutral failed to respond to my query left on his/her talk page.--Andeh 22:50, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
3. Neutral (I'm editing without logging in so I can't vote even if I wanted). FWIW there's evidence of occasional misjudgment, based on my one and only experience with this editor. Earlier in June, Are You Lonesome Tonight? (album) was marked WP:PROD, citing

WP:HOAX - No such album (not in Elvis Presley discography, image is from a 1960 single release)

Mango deprodded it, with the comment "it's for sale", leaving the inappropriate image in place and not bothering to do anything else, such as update the Elvis Presley discography article or figure out why the cover of a single release was used to illustrate an article about an album. It was left for someone else (me, as it happens), to figure out what was really wrong with the article, and I did so without any background in the subject matter. Mango is a self-described "proposed deletion patroller" — I would expect such an editor to pay particular attention to the reasons cited in a PROD, and to investigate any inconsistencies. Since Mango didn't pay attention to the specific reasons cited for the original proposed deletion, I'm concerned that Mango may in the future carelessly overlook some detail that would lead to the misuse of admin privileges. 66.167.252.241 (talk · contribs) 02:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC).

Comments

• See Mangojuice's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool.
• Edit count.

Username Mangojuice
Total edits 3921
Distinct pages edited 2444
Average edits/page 1.604
First edit 16:54, 27 January 2005
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(main) 1548
Talk 255
User 103
User talk 894
Image 15
Image talk 5
Template 160
Template talk 14
Help 1
Category 19
Category talk 1
Wikipedia 777
Wikipedia talk 128
Portal talk 1

• ITIS User Statistics. Icey 21:15, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:

1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.

A: My interests shift over time, so I anticipate getting involved in all the chore areas. In particular, I'm interested in helping out with speedy deletion and closing AfD debates. I often look over articles proposed for deletion, so I could help there as well. I also would like to help out with the copyright violation backlog, and page protection and unprotection. I also would benefit from the rollback tool; I have VandalProof access, but (1) I sometimes edit from an incompatible OS, and (2) I fight vandalism but I usually don't sit down and look for it specifically, so having the tools integrated with my web browser better would be useful. However, what I want to get involved with most is blocking and unblocking of users. I will deal with such users with patience and kindness, which may or may not get them to be good Wikipedians, but is least likely to turn them into insufferable antagonizers of the project. Mangojuice^talk 16:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?

A: I'm working right now on getting Cryptography to featured status, so I'm pleased with that; it seems to be going well. I've written a few starter articles on other subjects in cryptography as well, such as Plaintext-aware encryption, and made full articles out of stubs such as Oblivious transfer. I made a big rewrite to Contract bridge (quite a while ago now) that I was proud of. I'm happy about my work on Wikipedia:Notability (academics) as well; I found it very frustrating how unevenly articles on academics were often treated, and I think those guidelines will help. I'm proud of starting Wikipedia:WikiProject Proposed Deletion Patrolling: the efforts in coordinating between patrollers hasn't worked out as well as I would like, but I think it's been good as an initiative, especially in helping educate people about the PROD policy. Mangojuice^talk 16:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: Several times, in some cases on purpose (that is, I have found some conflicts and deliberately gotten involved). I have found that most conflicts arise as a failure of communication between the parties involved. When I'm involved in such a conflict, my approach is pretty simple: (1) make sure there is a discussion going on. (2) try to steer the discussion so that it remains focussed on the idea that what we're doing here is writing for an encyclopedia. (3) focus on the relevant policies, and talk about the writing of the article. In general, I try to respect everyone I interact with in a conflict, but make it clear to them that the policies of Wikipedia are more important than our conflict, and once I get that recognition things usually work out. I would say certain users have caused me stress, mainly when they weren't interested in discussion, because it's very hard to get someone to discuss when they don't seem interested. As a particular example, I have done a lot of work on the Shock site article. This isn't in the greatest shape, but we used to have edit wars, spam, trolling, lots of uncited stuff, and there were many deletion debates about the List of shock sites article, partly as a result of editors ignoring WP policy and edit warring with those who didn't. I got involved deliberately when I realized what was going on, and I think the change has been positive (although the article still isn't great). Mangojuice^talk 16:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Optional AOL questions from Hort Graz 1. Detail your blocking plan when you are dealing with a persistent vandal who uses AOL. How long do you block? How often must he returen before you start to do longer blocks?

If it's a username, I'd follow standard practice there, but I'm assuming you're asking about an anon AOL vandal. I'd start with a 4-hour block, I think, because of the ip-jumping AOL accounts do. I don't know about longer blocks: is there a point? If vandalism gets particularly bad in a short period, I'd be in favor of a temporary rangeblock, but obviously I wouldn't just do that on my own, I'd discuss with other admins. Mangojuice^talk 21:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

2. If you block a range of AOL addresses, will you commit yourself to stay around during the block to help the innocent victims of the block?

Not during the whole block, no. I'm not on Wikipedia ALL the time. :) But if I ever did a rangeblock of AOL or anywhere else, I'd make sure it was well-publicized among the admins, so anyone could respond to queries. If I knew I would be unavailable for a long period, I'd ask another admin to do the actual block. Mangojuice^talk 21:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

3. After you have blocked an inappropriate user name, will you check the Special:Ipblocklist to see if this block is creating massive collateral damage?

I probably will. I feel that autoblocking for users blocked for inappropriate usernames is of dubious value in general. I support it for obviously disruptive usernames, but otherwise, I think any collateral damage is worth considering as a reason to remove the autoblocking. Mangojuice^talk 21:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

4. Have you ever experienced being autoblocked because another user was blocked? Are you empathetic to those who may suffer this way, or do you not care?

I'm empathetic. I actually have been blocked b/c of a range block, and it was sort of annoying, but admins were gracious and responsive. However, I think in some instances, collateral damage is a price worth paying. Mangojuice^talk 21:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

5. You are a soldier in Iraq, and you are under attack from heavy arms fire. Your attackers are in the vacinity of several innocent civilians. Is it better to shoot your attackers even though you may kill some innocent civilians, or should you refrain from shooting?

This really doesn't have any relevance to what I'd be like as an admin. I think I've explained my stance on collateral damage well enough in your other questions. But equating blocking an innocent user and killing an innocent person is just way too much for me, so I'll bow out of this one. Mangojuice^talk 21:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)