Talk:Bosnian mujahideen

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explicitly agreed not to use IP addresses when editing Balkans articles.

See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia#December 2008 this page is protected from editing by new users and unregistered uses for six months -- PBS (talk) 10:39, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Edit restrictions

See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia#December 2008 - February 2009

• Bosnian mujahideen New users and unregistered users blocked from editing the page for six months as user:Osli73 has been using IP addresses in a slow revert war with User:Kruško Mortale and they do not seem able to compromise on the talk page. -- PBS (talk) 10:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
  • user:Osli73 restricted to one revert a week (1RR) on the page Bosnian mujahideen for six months (or until the page protection is taken off). -- PBS (talk) 10:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
  • User:Kruško Mortale restricted to one revert a week (1RR) on the page Bosnian mujahideen for six months (or until the page protection is taken off). -- PBS (talk) 10:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Lull in the discussion

The following are current discussions. One should not archive discussions with recent comments. See archive policy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Archiving_a_talk_page

"It is customary to periodically archive old discussions on a talk page when that page becomes too large.

Decisions about when to archive, and what may be the optimal length for a talk page, are made according to the Wikipedia policy of consensus for each case. If possible, archive talk pages during a lull in discussion, thus maintaining the context of a discussion by not cutting it off in progress."

Archiving discussions that are obviously active without consensus is not consistent with wiki policy. Fairview360 (talk) 17:27, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

As user:Osli73 is no longer involved in these discussions.[1] I have archived the page as there is little point in continuing the previous sections which were structured to try to reach a consensus between his POV and those of some other editors. The cleanest thing to do was to archive the page those still involved in editing this page can start new sections as they become necessary. --PBS (talk) 17:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

PBS has no right to unilaterally archive active discussions. There is obviously not a consensus on archiving these discussions. The page, as is, is not too large. It appears Osli73 is not banned from discussion pages but rather editing and may wish to continue these discussions. Even if Osli73 is not interested in these discussions, other editors may wish to continue these discussions. Fairview360 (talk) 22:21, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Until such time as Osli73 agrees not to use IP addresses I would not consider it appropriate for him to edit Balkans article talk pages.

Besides as no one but you have posted to this page in the last few days and no one has posted a reply to your question there clearly is a lull in the discussion. clearing the page and starting a new discussion makes it more likely that your question will be spotted. So I am yet again removing the archived text. --PBS (talk) 17:30, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Osli behavior does not change truth of his words. Philip Baird Shearer and all editors here are against him. But they can attack the way he acts but not erase what he says. Fairview is fool but now he says right thing. Philip Baird Shearar have no reason to delete Osli edits or put them where no person look.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.61.104.254 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 21 February 2009

I am neither for or against Osli73. The talk page was twice the size of the recommended size for a page, so it was time it was archived. Osli postings are not erased they are archived. If anyone wants to continue the discussion they can do so by linking to the old section in the archive and making a new point, but talk pages get archived and there is no reason why this one should not be. --PBS (talk) 17:23, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Philip Baird Shearer, why do you act so arbitrarily? Fairview360 made a perfectly reasonable comment. I haven't been able to visit here recently. Now I have to go digging in the archive to find out what's gone on. You didn't have to archive everything, that's just inconsiderate. Opbeith (talk) 21:03, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

No reply, either. Opbeith (talk) 12:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Still not bothered to reply, another year later. Opbeith (talk) 20:31, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

PBS writes, and having writ, moves on. Another year and a half. Opbeith (talk) 15:35, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Numbers

For previous discussion see /Archive 4#Numbers

So then what does wikipedia do with sources like MacKenzie? Fairview360 (talk) 22:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Predrag Matvejević

By what criteria is his opinion relevant??--Añtó| Àntó (talk) 16:35, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of background material

I've reverted BobbytheMazarin's undiscussed deletion of the background to the arrival of the "mujahideen". Information about Bosnia and the Bosnian Muslims being the target of the Greater Serbia project and Croat opportunism and the the impact of non-intervention by the international community is crucial to the context. I agree that some careful rewriting and thoughtful abbreviation would be useful but nevertheless the background information is essential. Opbeith (talk) 21:01, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Origin & motives

Currently the article states that "some" of the mujahideen were humanitarian workers or criminals. A bit odd to only state the exceptions on not that most were "foreign volunteers from Europe seeking to wage a jihad, or “holy struggle”, against the Christian Serbs and Croats." (According to an article by Kohlman on the topic which i found) http://www.aina.org/reports/tabmnie.pdf Bobbythemazarin (talk) 08:50, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Shia involvement

There's an constant act on this page by the people who non-stop remove information on the Shia involvement in the Bosnian War. We all understand that the Saudi wahhabism spreads like a wildfire across Bosnia nowadays, but that doesn't mean that Wikipedia should be censored too. Sourced fragment that is constantly removed:

Aside from the Sunni and Wahabi mujahideen, Shia Iran was one of the very first Muslim countries to provide support for besieged Bosniaks (predominantly Sunni Muslim, and ascribe to the Hanafi school of thought). Iran supplied two-thirds of the total received in weapons and ammunition by the Bosnian Muslim forces during the 1992-95 war. From May, 1994 to January, 1996, Iran transported over 5,000 tons of weapons and military equipment to Bosnia.[18] Iran not only sent much needed supplies but also fighters. Lebanese Shia Hezbollah had also its fighters in the Bosnian war. Robert Baer, a CIA agent stationed in Sarajevo during the war, later claimed that “In Sarajevo, the Bosnian Muslim government is a client of the Iranians . . . If it’s a choice between the CIA and the Iranians, they’ll take the Iranians any day.” By war’s end, public opinion polls showed some eighty-six percent of the Bosnian Muslim population expressed a positive attitude toward Iran.[19] All Shia foreign advisors and fighters withdrew from Bosnia at the end of conflict.

Sources include:

[18] http://serbianna.com/blogs/savich/archives/56

Serbianna is a blog by the Carl Kosta Savich, a Serbian-American historian whose work has been cited on the US Holocaust Memorial Museum website in Washington DC and the Holocaust and Genocide Studies website of the University of Minnesota, among some. His approach towards the topic of Croats, Albanians or Bosniaks can be biased but he has no reason to favor any Islamic school over different, moreover, articles criticizes Iran's involvement in the Balkans.

[19] http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/iran-balkans-history-and-forecast

World Affairs Journal is a US based, highly respected, scholarly magazine that takes no sides.

As per Wikipedia's rules. If information on the Shia involvement will keep being constantly removed without giving any credible justification, then the article should be blocked.