User talk:MusikAnimal/old talkpage

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Hello from Colombeverges

Hi MusikAnimal,

Thanks for your message and for watching over that important content not be deleted from some pages without any reason.

It was the first time I was editing a page, and I didn't see that I needed to leave a reason.

The reason why I removed the content is that I work for Alkarama (I'm the new Media Coordinator) and a colleague from our legal team asked me if I could rewrite the page to leave no misunderstanding as to our Founder's designation as a "Specifically Designed Terrorist".

The fact that the US named him a terrorist without justification whatsoever, and that no other country has designated him a terrorist, should rather raise questions as to what the reasons were for the US to designate him as a terrorist.

Abd al-Rahman Omair Al Naimi is the president of the Alkarama's Foundation Council, and Alkarama is a very respected human rights organisation working on a daily basis with the United Nations to send communications with regards to the most sever human rights abuses in the Middle East and North Africa. Uncovering the responsibility of specific Arabic states has costed Alkarama which has made a lot of enemies in some states, in particular in Gulf countries which have a good relationship with the US.

There is no doubt that Al Naimi was victim of a smear campaign, but since the US does not have to give the proofs of what it wrongly claims, it is unlikely that Al Naimi will ever completely recover from this.

The reason why I was asked to remove this page, is that we are trying to push victims and local NGOs to communicate to us the violations they've been the victims of. We are worried however that they would be scared by this information on Alkarama's page.

The accusations on Al Naimi were made on his own person and not on our organisation. Al Naimi even wanted to resign not to tarnish our organisation's reputation and harm our mission. But our Foundation Council refused, since nobody ever doubted these allegations to be true.

Now if you want to create a page on Al Naimi and link it to Alkarama, feel free, but it would just not be fair, for all the hard work we put in protecting individuals subjected or at risk of the most severe human rights abuses, that our mission be damaged by such terrible and terribly false allegations.

I hope you understand, and allow me to remove the text or help me remove it yourself, until I have a little more time - probably next week - to rewrite an article about this.

Please let me know what you think.

All the best, Colombe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colombeverges (talk • contribs) 15:17, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

@Colombeverges: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! Unfortunately, I do not currently have the time to assess the veracity of these claims. While patrolling recent changes, I merely noticed you removed a large portion of sourced material without explaining why. Please provide an edit summary so that others are aware of your intentions.

Without diving to deep into this case, I will say that it's important to understand that Wikipedia must respect all viewpoints, negative and positive. We cannot remove content simply because we disagree with it, but at the same time we do not want to lend undue weight toward a specific viewpoint. We must aim to make everything neutral in tone and verifiable with reliable sources.

I am happy to help you with this next week. Shall we get in touch then? — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:48, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

I was the editor who wrote that section, and will join in the discussion when you have it. The section gives a chronology of what happened: al Naimi was declared a terrorist by the US DoT, in response to which Amnesty said nothing, but another group shouted plainly "BS!". The national media followed with its own reporting, which was largely copy-pasted directly from the DoT press release, and DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED ALKARAMA WITH AL NAIMI, in some cases associating it in its list of Muslim-terrorist-charity-front organizations.

I dug around to get at all the sources I could find -- financial info, old news outlets (Al Humaiqani was named exactly once in all the news archived ever by or about Alkarama) -- and it pretty much confirmed that the alleged financing of terrorist activities would be painfully circumstantial, and even if it weren't, Al Humaiqani has had almost no association with Alkarama's operations since its founding, and Al Naimi's accusation is based almost exclusively on his association with Al Humaiqani. The counterpoint that this was a political attack at Alkarama itself by the US as retaliation for their criticism doesn't make much sense to me -- it seems much more likely to be an indirect political attack/maneuver against Al Naimi or Yemen or something.

Anyway, the next step was to put these findings into the article, which resulted in the section you see. I studied journalism and try to write objective content while making my assessment clear enough, but if that's not the case here, feel free to edit.

But the fact remains that the entire US news media reported on this between the initial DoT press release, Al Naimi's response, Amnesty's lack of response, and Al Naimi's resignation. These articles are permanently archived on all the various blogs, so when somebody googles "Alkarama", they will see a articles with big headlines like "Terrorists For Human Rights" (DailyKos). Almost no blogs or news outlets did the research to at least get some assessment of the claims (otherwise I would have had way less work to do). The accusation and its damage are permanently archived online, so this WP article does its job for clarifying the truth of the matter for those curious about the organization by keeping this section. SamuelRiv (talk) 21:47, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

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No problem! Thanks for the WikiLove :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 14:14, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

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Trying to find out how to get my article about nutrition and health conscious items returned so I can utilize the article in a more proper environment Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nutritionman (talk • contribs)

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Mark Greenaway

Hi,

I noticed you have deleted the page I created for Mark Greenaway. This page was created on the request of Mr Greenaway and he holds full copyright of the text used on his website. I emailed this to the address as requested.

How can I have the page reinstated?

Thanks