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After much research we decided to create a new technical page on this subject and have linked it to this article. There is a lot more information on how it actually works that will be added over time and we can't guarantee that the page will not in fact get deleted as a result, because it proves the existence of the BUAP from 1995. They won't like that... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noordinaryjohn (talk • contribs) 03:34, 20 July 2014‎ (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate: Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot duplicates scope of Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot and should merge there

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

Support - The Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot page is incorrect - There was no 2007 contract to install the BUAP, that was just the date that Boeing admitted to the ALREADY INSTALLED patent of 2003. They had to admit this because they were being sued by an American pilot. The technical evidence shows that it was first installed in 1995 in the AIMS-1 and significantly upgraded in AIMS-2 in 2000. It was first witnessed in action in late 1996. - Noordinaryjohn

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The question of which title is correct; "Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot" or "Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot", has not been addressed yet, so the direction of the merge is not clear at all. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:35, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dodger67 - for years it was called the Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot however my recent research shows that the hardware, software and the patent's implementation rests with Boeing and Honeywell (via the Apollo and Darkstar aided by the Technology Reinvestment Project with NASA assisting with fly-by-wire and the glass-cockpit). Thus the (noun) Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot (BHUAP) which is backed up fully with documentation, citations, patents, precedents, type-certificates etc. My vote is for Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot. By the way, Gaan die Bokkies! John (Noordinaryjohn) (talk) 07:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why not merge under Uninterruptible autopilot--Petebutt (talk) 18:15, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Except this isn't on the general topic of "uninterruptible autopilots" it's on the subject of a specific implementation/product line -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 04:38, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, this article is about a specific piece of equipment made by a specific manufacturer, thus the article title should actually be the manufacturer's official designation - what does the label on the box say? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:18, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Might make sense to go with BHUAP, if that's the best current name, and make sure it incorporates a section on the BUAP precursor, plus a redirect from a BUAP page. Chris Rodgers (talk) 04:35, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Does this thing actually really exist? Can an airline call their local Honewell dealers and buy these things? Or is it just vaporware? There is no evidence in the article that this is a real physical product (yet), which might go a long way towards explaining why we don't know its actual name. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 05:51, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Chris and Roger, the system exists as per Boeing's admission in 2007 (see citations on BHUAP) - as to what they call it, well they kept it secret from 1995 to 2007 when they were sued so it never really got a name. Honeywell called it the "Unauthorized Flight Detector" in their patent but it isn't another box per se. It is a set of sub-routines within the AIMS LRU's, but more than that, it is integrated into the entire architecture of the computer system, uninterruptible secondary power supply etc, involving both Boeing and Honeywell (Honeywell are also talking to Airbus about it). I have the full patent history back to 1970 which will be published in due course. It came into being in civil aircraft through the Technology Reinvestment Project, initially into Justice Prisoner and Alien Transportation System (JPATS - ConAir - Christine Marcy) aircraft in the early 1990's from its roots in the US air force. Associated with it was the JPALS / LAAS / WAAS Dual-Use technology enabling the interoperability between military and civilian airfields for aircraft to perform Cat 3C landings. There are examples of its use however I can't put them in the BHUAP page. John (Noordinaryjohn) (talk) 21:24, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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	Does this thing actually really exist? Can an airline call their local Honewell dealers and buy these things? Or is it just vaporware? There is no evidence in the article that this is a real physical product (yet), which might go a long way towards explaining why we don't know its actual name. [[User:Dodger67\|Roger (Dodger67)]] ([[User talk:Dodger67\|talk]]) 05:51, 30 July 2014 (UTC)		Does this thing actually really exist? Can an airline call their local Honewell dealers and buy these things? Or is it just vaporware? There is no evidence in the article that this is a real physical product (yet), which might go a long way towards explaining why we don't know its actual name. [[User:Dodger67\|Roger (Dodger67)]] ([[User talk:Dodger67\|talk]]) 05:51, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

	:Hi Chris and Roger, the system exists as per Boeing's admission in 2007 (see citations) - as to what they call it, well they kept it secret from 1995 to 2007 when they were sued so it never really got a name. Honeywell called it the "Unauthorized Flight Detector" in their patent but it isn't another box per se. It is a set of sub-routines within the AIMS LRU's, but more than that, it is integrated into the entire architecture of the computer system, uninterruptible secondary power supply etc, involving both Boeing and Honeywell. I have the full patent history back to 1970 which will be published in due course. It came into being in civil aircraft through the Technology Reinvestment Project, initially into [[Justice Prisoner and Alien Transportation System]] (JPATS - ConAir - Christine Marcy) aircraft in the early 1990's from its roots in the US air force. Associated with it was the JPALS / LAAS / WAAS Dual-Use technology enabling the interoperability between military and civilian airfields for aircraft to perform Cat 3C landings. There are examples of its use however I can't put them in the BHUAP page.[[User:Noordinaryjohn\|John (Noordinaryjohn)]] ([[User talk:Noordinaryjohn\|talk]]) 21:24, 30 July 2014 (UTC)		:Hi Chris and Roger, the system exists as per Boeing's admission in 2007 (see citations on BHUAP) - as to what they call it, well they kept it secret from 1995 to 2007 when they were sued so it never really got a name. Honeywell called it the "Unauthorized Flight Detector" in their patent but it isn't another box per se. It is a set of sub-routines within the AIMS LRU's, but more than that, it is integrated into the entire architecture of the computer system, uninterruptible secondary power supply etc, involving both Boeing and Honeywell (Honeywell are also talking to Airbus about it). I have the full patent history back to 1970 which will be published in due course. It came into being in civil aircraft through the Technology Reinvestment Project, initially into [[Justice Prisoner and Alien Transportation System]] (JPATS - ConAir - Christine Marcy) aircraft in the early 1990's from its roots in the US air force. Associated with it was the JPALS / LAAS / WAAS Dual-Use technology enabling the interoperability between military and civilian airfields for aircraft to perform Cat 3C landings. There are examples of its use however I can't put them in the BHUAP page. [[User:Noordinaryjohn\|John (Noordinaryjohn)]] ([[User talk:Noordinaryjohn\|talk]]) 21:24, 30 July 2014 (UTC)