User talk:Dodger67

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"Insufficient context for those unfamiliar": what's missing?[edit]

Hello, thanks for reviewing our article (Soldier's Dream). We think the topic is very important and interesting and we'd like to improve it to create the new page. We'd love to have as many suggestions as possible. "This submission provides insufficient context for those unfamiliar with the subject matter", which other information/sections about the poem could we add to solve this issue? Is there any other improvement we could make? Yours sincerely. Francina* (talk) 11:40, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Francina* I don't see any review of Draft:Soldier's Dream, could you give me a direct link to it? According to the page history the only edits I've ever done was this attempt to improve the page layout, dated 18 October 2017.
BTW, the context seems ok now, but this is not a review opinion, just a quick impression. On my screen (an 11" Android tablet running the Chrome browser) the layout of the lead section still looks overcrowded with boxes and images squeezing the text from both sides.
BTW×2 Is this a class project, it's very rare to see so many users all working on one draft? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:06, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
One of us had accidentally submitted the draft (before terminating it) and today this alerts has arrived "Submission declined on 18 October 2017 by Dodger67."
That's right and we will soon work to better format/size the page.
Yes, it's exactly a class project. But we are allowed (encouraged) to ask for help to other users in order to discover and exploit any instruments offered by wikipedia. Thanks again. Francina* (talk) 14:01, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi again Francina* tell your class that the WP:Teahouse is a help page specifically aimed at beginners. WP:WikiProject Poetry is a good place for topic-specific advice and assistance too. I don't see any class project or student editor templates, is your class registered on the Wikipedia Education system? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:13, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
Goodevening Dodger67. Actually we are not registered, what is that useful for? Francina* (talk) 21:46, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
@Francina*: Hi there. There are some great resources available, including handouts, interactive training, assignment plans, etc. available for instructors and students contributing to Wikipedia for a class assignment. Could you tell me the name/email of the instructor and the school/university so we can try to connect him/her with information about those resources? --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:28, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Student projects on the Wikipedia Education System[edit]

Hi. I need some (belatedly!) help to register my class projects on the Wikipedia Education System. I tried a request on the Educational Noticeboard in October, and put this on the student'sdraft pages :

Application for course page currently pending on Wikipedia:Education noticeboard Limelightangel (talk) 08:13, 5 October 2017 (UTC)Limelightangel

Can you advise? I have run this exercise for several years at LIUC, Castellanza, Italy. We currently have 7 draft pages in progress. Many thanks! Limelightangel (talk) 09:41, 11 November 2017 (UTC) Limelightangel

Hi Limelightangel I see your October post has actually been archived. I'm not really familiar with the inner workings of the educational program so all I can advise is to post again. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:24, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
@VMasrour (WMF): you mentioned on the ENB that you were reaching out to Wikimedia Italy, but it was a different username that came up there so thought I'd ping here. It sounds like Limelightangel is the instructor. --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 22:18, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
 : Thanks for letting me know, i will ask WMIT to see if they've had any results. VMasrour (WMF) (talk) 23:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 : : @VMasrour (WMF): Hi. This class project is running on Wiki English platform, and just being completed. 3 new pages have been accepted, 3 are pending review, and 1 not yet submitted. Limelightangel (talk) 10:44, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

16:27:57, 13 November 2017 review of submission by Bruschi12[edit]


Hi Dodger, thanks for taking the time to review the page.

A lot of the information is without reference as there is no reference point on line for it. It is a local sports club and the info posted here is a direct link to the same info on the clubs facebook page. I doubt facebook counts as a credible link, but this is it here. https://www.facebook.com/pg/fethardstmogues/about/?ref=page_internal

We were hoping to have a substantial and proper account of the history of the club available. I had looked at other GAA clubs in Ireland to see the type of information provided, and they seem to be similar in its approach. see this one here as an example - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilmacud_Crokes_GAA

If there is anything specific that does not meet guidelines or anything to adjust, I could see about altering that. But I just didnt want to lose the whole history of the formation and development of the club due to no resources online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bruschi12 (talkcontribs) 16:27, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Bruschi12 sources do not need to be online. Try local libraries that might have newspaper or sport magazine collections. You might have noticed that the other article you've mentioned is already tagged for being inadequately referenced. Another route would be to actually write an article about the club's history to be published by a reputable magazine that has proper editorial control. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:39, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Dodger67 further to your comments, I have a published edited magazine that has a history of the club included in it. Please excuse my ignorance on referencing sources etc on Wikipedia, but how does one use this as a source so the article can be published? I have a copy here that I can take pictures of? Is it a case of submitting these and for someone to view and evaluate? Thanks for you help (and patience!) Bruschi12 (talk) 10:25, 16 November 2017 (UTC)bruschi12

Hi again Bruschi12, I see you have already used the "cite news" referencing template in the draft. For the magazine you use the similar {{cite magazine}} template.
Do not upload any scans or photos of the magazine as that would most likely be a copyright violation.
Just give as much of the detail about the article as possible; magazine name, author, article title, magazine issue, date, page number(s), etc. by filling the cite template. Simply leave out any bits that do not apply such as the url. Hope this helps Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:55, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi Dodger67 perfect, thanks, I'll do that so. Thanks for your help.Bruschi12 (talk) 15:25, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

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Dalhousie University Agricultural Campus[edit]

Hi, I have never written messages here, so I hope I'll do it correctly. First, thank you so much for looking at my article. Of course there's still some overlap, as my intention is to delete the information from the faculty page which is not actually about the Faculty. The Faculty content is the programs related to the Faculty, the agricultural-educational history, and maybe the Barley Ring etc. Dalhousie University has also other campuses with each other Faculties, and it would be great if down the road we could have the Faculty pages (e.g. some Faculties such as the Faculty of engineering have locations on various campuses). The campuses and what they offer are vastly different. They are driving hours apart from each other. Distinctive articles for each of the campuses as well as for each of the Faculties are my goal. The campuses are mentioned on the Dalhousie University page and subsequently should contain links to the various campus pages. I hope this explains what I am trying to do. Thanks for your consideration. Happy Monday! Yvonne PS: Turns out I got this partly wrong: On the AC Campus it's the Department of Engineering under the Faculty of Agriculture, and the Faculty of Engineering sits on the Halifax campus. I will change that. However, I still believe we need faculties and campus sites separately - our other campuses are home to various other faculties. YSmomilomii (talk) 13:09, 4 December 2017 (UTC)YSmomilomiiYSmomilomii (talk) 13:09, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi YSmomilomii, your plan to separate articles about campusses and departments makes a lot of sense. Just keep in mind that when you move content between pages that you leave a proper attribution statement in the edit summary at both the source and destination pages: "Content moved to/from Article xxxx".

Hi, Shall I throw the content out or add it to Dalhousie University of Agriculture? Whereas the Gardens, the Student Life parts etc. really don't belong to the Faculty imo, and the other campuses should have equivalent information sites, and then one runs into the issue with multiple Faculties on one campus ... Well, let me know, please. Yvonne YSmomilomii (talk) 17:27, 4 December 2017 (UTC)YSmomilomii

Hi again YSmomilomii Move the information to wherever it fits and makes best sense. Don't throw anything out, unless it is unsourced, then it shouldn't be anywhere in Wikipedia. It seems you're taking on quite a big job involving multiple articles, so it may be worthwhile getting more opinions and advice at the WP:TEAHOUSE. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:42, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi Roger Thank you for your feedback! I'll try to sort this out tonight and add sources where missing. If I can sort out AC faculty and AC campus tonight that would be great ... I'll use the "Content moved to/from Article xxxx", thank you for the advice! <3 Have a good night! YSmomilomii (talk) 21:05, 4 December 2017 (UTC)Yvonne (YSmomilomii)

Request on 17:27:29, 7 December 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Thedecentone[edit]


Hi, I have attempted to add correct information with citations for each fact to the page, Jean Theslof. This page currently carries inaccurate historical data. Please kindly accept these edit suggestions or kindly suggest what more details I need to add the correct information (with provided respectable news source citations for each fact)?

I do not know how to code beyond basic EAD born docs - or what this particular form of code is? So all suggestions on how to add my suggested factual information would be greatly appreciated. thank you.

Thedecentone (talk) 17:27, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Thedecentone you need to add your content directly to the existing article at Jean Theslöf, working on a draft when the article already exists is a waste of time and effort, because such a draft can never be accepted as having multiple articles about a given subject is not allowed. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:28, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Fly Blue Crane[edit]

I note you have reverted my recent edit for Fly Blue Crane, where I had marked it as defunct, because, in your words, there was “No evidence that it is actually definitely dead”. I disagree, and was wondering whether you have more information than I?

I marked it as defunct because: 1) it is over 12 months since they had to enter Business Rescue, and there has been no announcement regarding the supposed investors; 2) there have been no posts to their Facebook or Twitter accounts since 12 December 2016 and 19 January 2017 respectively, and their website is closed; 3) flights ceased on 3 February, and there has been no news of their reinstatement since; 4) they have no fleet – their two aircraft (still visible on websites such as Planespotters.com), which were leased from Solenta, have had their Fly Blue Crane livery removed, and both planes have operated flights for fastjet with the last two days.

So unless you know different, there is considerable evidence that it is dead and indeed none that it is not, so my edit should therefore stand. The article can always be reinvigorated in the event that the airline rises from the grave. Thanks. Carbonix (talk) 20:03, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Carbonix, the problem basically is that "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". We have no proof that the company has actually been liquidated yet. All we have currently is the anouncement of business rescue. Imho that means it's status should remain as "suspended" until we get confirmation either way. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:10, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi Roger, thanks for this. But you are talking about whether the company has been formally liquidated or not. The issue here is whether the airline should be classified as 'defunct' - a dictionary definition of which is "no longer in effect or use; not operating or functioning". Obviously, an announcement of a company's liquidation makes things a lot clearer for us; but the absence of one does not stop the airline being defunct. It is not difficult to find other South African examples included in the list of defunct airlines - Trek Airways, Flitestar and more recently Interair South Africa are clearly defunct, but I can find no comment or evidence that these companies were formally liquidated. But no one would argue they are not defunct.
In short, we are agreed Fly Blue Sky has long ceased operations, has no staff and no planes, and we therefore need no other evidence to say it is defunct. Carbonix (talk) 16:42, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi again Carbonix I think we should open this topic to a wider audience, so I'll post about it at WT:WikiProject Airlines#When is an airline definitely "defunct"? so that broader agreement about the definition of "defunct airline" can be reached. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:05, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi Roger; thanks, I have no problem with this. I should perhaps point out that a clear outcome (if we get one!) will impact past classifications, in the various country lists ('List of Defunct airlines of XXXX') and country templates (such as Template:Airlines of Mexico), where previous editors have judged which airlines are defunct based on the facts available. Carbonix (talk) 12:03, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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Indexing Post[edit]

Hi Dodger67,

Thanks for reviewing my recent post "Laura Briggs"! I am wondering how I can index this page so it shows up in searches? Thanks!

Faunevita (talk) 17:16, 9 December 2017 (UTC)Faune

Hi Faunevita indexing will happen automatically, we have no way to influence when Google and other search engines will index the page, it can take a few days. BTW I tagged a section for having no references, maybe you can fix it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:46, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Dodger67 for your response. I'm not trying to get this page to show up more that is usual in searches, just when someone searches her. I also wanted to let you know that I did add a source to the section without any that you had flagged. Thanks! Faunevita (talk) 22:13, 9 December 2017 (UTC)Faune

Hi again Faunevita, don't forget to remove the "unreferenced section" tag, it's directly below the section heading. If you need any further help, you know where to find me. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:24, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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Submissions Deleted - Talib Kewli Album, "Radio Silence"[edit]

Hello Dodger67,

Thank you for addressing my recently created page. I would like to get the content ready and elligible for publication as soon as possible. Can you explain more in-depth why the page I worked to create was deleted for "promotional" purposes under the G11 rule? There does not seem to be any biased information in that text, nor links to where one may purchase the album. Thousands of pages like this exist, so I am confused as to why this one was no good. Please advise on what features should be removed.

Thank you, Bnrdmnd 12/12/2017 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bnrdmnd (talkcontribs) 21:14, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello Dodger67,

I have made it clear in my User page that I am an employee of companies who have asked me to create and/or update Wikipedia articles for their respective content. Hopefully disclosing this information will expedite the approval process? Please let me know if more can be done to push this along on my behalf. Thank you. --Bnrdmnd (talk) 22:04, 12 December 2017 (UTC)