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The New Den stadium

You are right - the New Den is in Southwark Borough, in Livesey ward in fact. Welcome to Wikipedia! David | Talk 12:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Priština article

Hi Phildav76, [1] I noticed you reverted the name of the city to the Serbian naming, with the claim that "Revert. The blanked Albanianisation means half the links won't work for a start!" My question is, did you test whether links work or you just speculated? Whenever one clicks on the Albanian name of the city, it still gets redirected to the abovementioned page. Don't you think that a double-naming system "Albanian/Serbian" is proper, and is in accordance to how all cities in the place itself (Kosovo) are named? (actually they are named in Turkish as well in Kosovo). Regards,Ilir pz 20:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that you seem to be very careful in "serbianizing" the name of that article by the way. If you take a look at the official naming of the city by the international administration, it is "Pristina" not with the serbian letter. But I guess as a native speaker of Engliš you know that that letter does not exist in the Engliš alphabet. Or does it? We should start calling Bush - Buš :). Regards, ilir_pz 23:56, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I change it back each time I see someone has done an obvious Ctrl-H search and replace - for example look at [2]. The problem is that they even changed the Serbian name as specified at the top and all the language links. The logic I am following is the set out in here: [3]. When the diacritics aren't used then yes it is Pristina, but as the guideline says that they should be used when possible. Another example would be to look at this page [4], as you can see Stankovic is missing the diacritics whereas on wikipedia there is an Dejan Stanković article with the diacritics. The real argument is whether in the English version of wikipedia should the Serbian or Albanian version of the name be used. Currently the Serbian one prevails as the "h" is very rarely used. One thing for you to notice is that I haven't altered the Prishtina District name or the links on Template:KosMunic. Good night, I am sure there will be a reply waiting for me in the morning, but this is really my final word on the subject unless there is a new consensus reached. --Phil 00:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure there will be a reply. I would encourage you to take a look in the website of the UN Interim Administration[5] , and check the official name used for the capital of Kosovo. And yes, it is "Pristina" not the Serbian version. "Dejan Stankovic" is a Serb. Sure you would try to follow his original name. Sure the version with "sh" is used quite often, read above "Bush" for example :). Compromise on using the naming convention used by the UNMIK should be reached, not the Serbian version. Good night. ilir_pz 00:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Well the UN page doesn't have the diacritics on any of the Serbian names either, so it doesn't really answer the question either way. It is all rather inconsistent. I would like to think that wikipedia contributors have a higher attention to detail --Phil 07:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

It is inconsistent to refer to the UN Administration in Kosovo, to the ones who make the laws, and have more right to make decisions than anyone else? Now this is inconsistent. Anyways, I started a discussion in the talk page of the article, if you care to give your opinion there, fine, if not I will still continue the process of changing that Serbianized name to the English version used by the International Admin in Kosovo. Regards, ilir_pz 12:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I explained myself in the talk page of the article. Looking forward to your opinion there. ilir_pz 00:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Inadequate sourcing

Hi Phildav76,

Thanks for your contributions to Operation Horseshoe. However, I've had to revert them, on two grounds:

1) Your additions aren't sourced. This is a fundamental requirement - please see Wikipedia:Verifiability.

2) You've added a link to an article from a personal website. Unfortunately we can't use this. Wikipedia articles should use reliable published sources - see Wikipedia:Reliable sources.

If you can find an equivalent citation from a reputable source then please feel free to add it, but I'm afraid the source you've cited simply isn't admissible. -- ChrisO 23:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Propaganda

Not sure I understood correctly your comment/irony here. Care to clarify? Thanks in advance, ilir_pz 23:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it needs any clarification. When you start to use words like "apartheid" to describe Kosovo from 1989-99 it is an insult to the people in South Africa who really suffered it. - Phil 01:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

It is not an insult but a legitimate comparison. Besides the discrimination on the color of the skin, all the rest has been similar to South Africa. Prove me wrong! In Kosovo Albanians had: no right to schooling, leading the country, were being beaten in the streets, were being massacred, prisons were filled with Albanians, no right to work, no right to use our own language in public, etc. I just gave you some, you decide. The discrimination based on skin colour was replaced with the discrimination based on religion, or language, or culture. It is a form of apartheid. ilir_pz 09:44, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

But you don't back up your claims with any credible evidence yourself. For a start what country was there for the Albanians to lead, when they only inhabited a province? They refused to serve in the army, didn't participate in elections. If they had done they would have a substantial presence in the republic and federal parliaments and certain control of the provincial one. They didn't pay any taxes or duties. The parallel schools were for Albanians only. This meant a major ethnic division which will continue for a long time. The standard of education was lower than what they would have got in the state schools. Albanians like the Hungarians and other minorities had the right to be educated in their own language. The boycott was not practiced when there was a need to use the expert services and facilities of the national health system such as maternity care, treatment of serious diseases, complicated surgical procedures. I would read the link on your page to rutgers but it doesn't work I'm afraid. -- Phil 12:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

You obviously know some, but not enough to be able to ironize my comments. Kosovo had a status which had almost the same rights as the rest of the federation units, it was a federation unit..until its autonomous status was abolished. Hence, the boycott started. How would you participate in institutions installed by the regime of Milosevic? you obviously cannot imagine that. They did not serve in the army, because several Kosovar Albanians were killed with the explanation "committed suicide" somewhere in Army barracks of yugoslav army. That might be the case for one, but not if there are tens of them committing suicide. Of course you would not take place in elections organized by Milosevic. In that way you would accept the occupation. But you cannot understand that either. Parallel schools were organized because Milosevic installed a completely different regime in schools, where directors were brought from Serbia, or were Serbian, and the school programme was approved by the Serbian Ministry of Education. You would not understand this either. It is better to have a lower standard (ooops I got a MSc degree abroad somehow with that level), than to obey an occupatory regime such as Milosevic's. Seems like you did not know the fact that health and maternity care was also private, by Albanian privately owned clinics. Where do you get all your info, I am very curious? What do you base your speculations on? ilir_pz 12:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

The autonomous status was reduced because Serbia had no say in the Constitutions of Provinces ostensibly within its territory. Unexplain deaths/suicides happen in most armies in the world (see Deepcut Barracks for example). Claiming the boycott was simply because Slobodan Milošević was president of Serbia is not really a good reason. What would happen if all parents around the world withdrew their children from school simply if they didn't like the government that ran their country? All my information is gathered from the internet. Well done on the MSc abroad. But mathematics is the same whether the education ministry was run by Albanians, Serbs, Yugoslavs or Madagascans -- Phil 13:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Hehe you do it like Homer Simpson, once he even believed that Internet would get his kids at home, after a snow-storm. Not everything is explained in the Internet, buddy. Not that Milosevic was just ugly for us, Albanians, and we suddenly decided not to get our children to a school just because we did not sympathize with him, there is much more to that. But you definitely seem to like one side of the story. Enjoy it. ilir_pz 14:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Not sure I follow the Homer Simpson/internet thing. I do remember him exclaiming with surprise that the internet was now on computers and trying to set up a snow plough business. Was it this episode - Skinner's_Sense_of_Snow? The quote is at the bottom I think. The problem is that there are very few unbiased sources on the internet. Nearly all of the British press (broadsheets, BBC) was very anti-Serbian from 1991 onwards and continues to be that way up to the present day. It supported Slovenia and Croatia sucession from Yugoslavia, the Bosnian Muslims against the Serbs and Croats, the Albanians against the Serbs and later against the Macedonians and most recently has been for the independence of Montenegro. Finding an even handed sources of information in the UK was difficult hence the internet being a place where more views are available. -- Phil 14:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Yup, that's the episode, quoting:

• Marge: This terrible! How will the kids get home?
• Homer: I dunno. Internet?

I did not know that British press was as anti-Serbian as you claim. A whole country cannot be synchronized in a way that you describe. But anyways. Some things need time to be documented fully in Internet for users like you to access them. Kosovo issue, in particular, is not well documented..The war ended only 7 years ago. There are still news on the WW2 events, and none is surprised that that is the case. But the lack of information in Internet does not justify you in calling my statements as propaganda, or one-sided. I might have had the bad luck to experience those that I mention here, and no way I am trying to make up stories. My conscience does not allow me to lie about that. Nothing that I said so far in Wikipedia was any different from what I have experienced myself, or have read (and I provided sources). Regards,ilir_pz 14:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Well considering all of Iran denies the holocaust...I'm sure it's possible.:)) C-c-c-c 00:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Montenegro

I myself would've gladly voted for the construction of the Montenegrin wikipedia - but I just see it wrong before we finally determine the full construction of a Montenegrin language. I just see it wrong not to wait. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

It would seem logical to wait and see, especially if the language is not full defined. How much would it differ from the Serbo-Croat and Serbian ones that already exists? --Phil 15:06, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, effectivly - there would be no factual difference with the Serbian language - except in written form, when the Montenegrin alphabet would contain an extra letter. --HolyRomanEmperor 00:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Is there a difference between the languages as there is between UK English and US English such as different words for certain objects (e.g. nappy/diaper), different spellings (Color/Colour) or pronounciations (leisure)? --Phil 13:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Well - the Serbian language has many dialects - and ofcourse, they contain different wording. The language that the Montenegrins speak is the same that the Serbs of Herzegovina and Dalmatia speak - it's similiar to the Bosnian & Croatian Serbs' Serbian - but very different from the Serbian language spoken in Serbia. The Montenegrin dialect contains archaism - it prefers Old Serbian wording, rather than the internationalization that's taking place within the Serbian language. As for spelling - it has 3 new letters, but they have been invented just now (or better, are being invented). --HolyRomanEmperor 13:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

The Old Montenegrins speek and write one language wicht we canne select somthink like betwen Croatien (Dalmatian) and Serbia. After the Serbo-kroatien L was learnit at School the Serbian L hase stardet to dominate. HRE you cant say that the Shumadia or Sandjak is speeken the same L. You are accepting the Bosnjan L wich is betwen the Serbian and Montenegris L and you dont wount to accept the Montenegris L. Oh comme every boody in Balkans know thate--Hipi Zhdripi 23:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

No, not connected to Croatian Dalmatian - the same as the language spoken by Serbs (not Croats) in Herzegovina and Dalmatia. Phil - sorry that I used your talk page to reply. I hope that you don't mind. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

It is ok HRE. I seem to start these disucssions off with a simple question or a revert on the Priština page and I get a new message every time I log on. --Phil 14:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC).

Well, see this. It is a detailed map of shtokav dialects. The one you see in Yellow is the East-Herzegovinian dialect - the largest of them all. It's also the oldest - and that eastern half is formed on the basis of the historical Serbian state - the western are mostly Serb migrants in front of Ottoman conquests (and Croats that adopted that dialect, respectivly). --HolyRomanEmperor 16:47, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Template:States of Germany

Any particular reason for the change? ~ trialsanderrors 18:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I changed it to have two images so that it was more balanced looking. I have done something similar with Iran and Mexico sub-divisional templates. What do you think? Phildav76 18:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Problem is that on my browser I got 14 states in the first row and 2 in the next. I think we can combine the two, double images and the hard breaks between sets of states for four balanced lines of text. ~ trialsanderrors 18:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I have Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania as the last one on the first line. I guess you are using a higher resolution. I have changed it now so there are three rows. Let me know what you thing Trialsanderrors. Phildav76 20:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Looks good now. I just removed the align=100% and moved Lower Saxony down for vertical symmetry. ~ trialsanderrors 20:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Two last changes: I added the navbox and changed the color so that it matches the other nav boxes at Germany (which seem to be in need of editing too.) ~ trialsanderrors 20:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The New Den

Hi, thanks for the message on my page. Yes indeed, you have very cleverly picked up on a geographical techicality! Part of our ground is in the London Borough of Lewisham, which places that part in New Cross SE14, but the majority, Zampa Road, Stockholm Road and Bolina Road SE16, is in south Bermondsey in the London Borough of Southwark! (I wonder do we have to pay Council Tax to both?) Speaking of Simon Hughes, he and Clive Efford are along with my self of course, in regular attendence. Thank you for your kind wishes for the forthcoming season. Best wishes, Lion King 15:13, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

correcting mistakes?

First of all, in Prishtina article, you were not "correcting mistakes", but you are just pushing for your personal view on the naming of the article, which coincides with the Serbian version (somehow). Seems like reverting is not good then, do not do it. ilir_pz 11:05, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

This is a very tired argument. Yes I was correcting mistakes - such as all the links to the articles of the Kosovo capital in the other languages. There is no point in having a link to a re-direct. Your allegation of me pushing my personal point of view is very hypocritial considering your latest edit to the Kosovo article. Phildav76 11:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Cool!

Cool. I live in Offerton. Kind of curious that you can meet anyone in the whole world and you still occasionally bump into people who have lived less than 40 minutes walk away from you. :-) --Lord Deskana ^{Dark Lord of YOUR OPINIONS} 22:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure how many wikipedians there are but they must be a few from Stockport! There seems to have been a spate of vandalism on the Stockport page recently. -- Phildav76 22:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Unsolved murders

I like the idea of the article. However I wouldn't try to make it totally comprehensive (there are something like 900 murders a year and not all of them are solved). Instead I would try to restrict it to cases which attracted a lot of attention or are famous for being unsolved, and add more information about the circumstances and whether there is a possible solution. (Some of the early 1970s cases may be solved by cold case reviews, like the Roy Tutill 1968 case was) David | Talk 09:29, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Auto-correcting

Hiya. I notice you've been going around 'tidying' with AWB. I'd like to ask you to check your edits more carefully. I'm not going to go through all your edits, but one obvious recent mistake you made was this edit. You may think it helpful to correct the vowels in the name, but in doing so you effectively removed a fundamental template [6] and a category [7]. So it would be great if you could check more carefully - especially with templates and categories. Oh and it would be a bonus if you could check your recent edits for similar problems, and fix the J-Lo article. Thanks. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 18:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I am still working on the Lopez to López changes. Obviously I cannot do them in one go. Phildav76 18:28, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem. After three days and a further thirty edits I thought you might have forgotten. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 18:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

It involves a few article re-names so I am planning a strategy! Phildav76 18:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt attention, and future vigilance. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 00:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Mediation time on Kosovo

I don't think we're getting anywhere with the Kosovo introduction, particularly since Ferick has openly rejected WP:NPOV and is now refusing to discuss sources. Accordingly, I've submitted a request for mediation. Please indicate on that page whether you consent to having the matter mediated. -- ChrisO 09:36, 8 July 2006 (UTC)