User talk:Viriditas

October 2014

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Re: Neil deGrasse Tyson

That's twice now you have personally attacked me ([1] and [2]) on the Neil deGrasse Tyson talk page. I have tried to inform you that these comments were personal attacks and move on, but you have insisted on posting these attacks. I will give you a chance to respond here on why, and if the attacks are not removed I plan to go to WP:ANI. --Obsidi (talk ) 00:25, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Observing that you have spent more than half of your edits obsessing on the Tyson page is not necessarily a personal attack. Feel free to take me to ANI so I can point out WP:NOTHERE. Please find something else to do with your time. If you had asked me before removing it, I probably would have removed it out of respect. Now, I'm not too sure. Viriditas (talk) 00:28, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for removing them. --Obsidi (talk ) 00:37, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Notice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion

Hello, Viriditas. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Weight issues with religious views sourced only to a Youtube video.The discussion is about the topic Neil deGrasse Tyson. Thank you. --Obsidi (talk ) 05:15, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Viriditas, thank you for the courtesy of your "final notice" on my talk page. Regards, Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:57, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Landmark Worldwide

Per request from an arb, I removed your statement from the case request. The case will be opened later today. If you wish to discuss the removal of your comment, which is believed to have only a tangential relationship to the actual case, please raise it on the talk page of the case page when opened. For the arbitration committee --S Philbrick(Talk) 18:55, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: where is this arb request? Viriditas (talk) 19:43, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

On the Clerk email distribution list.--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:50, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: Is that a closed list that editors like myself cannot review nor access? If so, then please name the arb, and I will simply confirm what you say is true. I take serious issue with the claim that my concerns "have only a tangential relationship to the actual case" when we find my concerns reflected in the case statements by other editors, such as Tgeairn, who note that "the majority of recent editing and disputes" included edit warring as well as tag teaming. Editor AnonNep also notes the edit warring in the case request. Since my concern is also with edit warring, I am curious how this has a "tangential relationship to the actual case" when it seems to lie at its very heart. Viriditas (talk) 20:11, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

It is not an open mailing list. It is a list to facilitate communication between the Arbs and the clerks, mainly to do boring housekeeping like remind clerks to close requests or to assign clerks to cases.

The case cannot be opened until 24 hours after the voting concluded that it should be opened. That will be roughly 4 hours from now. Once the case is open I suggest you post a question on the talk page of the case page and I will make sure the arb sees it so they can respond to you.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:31, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: is there a reason you can't tell me the name of the arb so I can settle this matter? I am unclear on the need for closed, back door communication. Surely, this isn't a FISA court or a matter of national security? Viriditas (talk) 00:12, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Just a matter of courtesy. I am reasonably certain they would let me share if asked, but I don't share confidential information without asking. I'll start working on the case in 15 minutes or so.--S Philbrick(Talk) 00:22, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: you are a clerk. If an arb asked you to do something, it is reasonable to expect you to name that arb. This kind of thing is public information, and your preference for acting on an authority without naming that authority is troubling. I really don't think you should be clerking if you can't see this problem. There is no good reason to refrain from naming the arb. Unless of course they didn't actually ask you like you originally claimed. Viriditas (talk) 00:28, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

• Our clerks have the authority to remove any questionable material they see fit. That's actually their job and frankly the committee would prefer it if clerks felt more confident doing such things without being prodded. But for the record I am the one who noted your remarks and asked for a clerk to remove them. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:33, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
  • @Beeblebrox: it isn't clear which head I should be addressing, so I'll address both of them: what was questionable about the material that led you to ask for its removal? I addressed the problematic edit warring that several other editors also highlighted. How is this questionable? Viriditas (talk) 03:00, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Case opened

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Landmark Worldwide. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Landmark Worldwide/Evidence. Please add your evidence by October 30, 2014, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Landmark Worldwide/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, S Philbrick(Talk) 01:49, 16 October 2014 (UTC) --S Philbrick(Talk) 01:49, 16 October 2014 (UTC) (One can debate whether you offered a statement, I am notifying you using the standard template )--S Philbrick(Talk) 01:49, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: why would you notify me if my statement was removed before the case was opened? Is Kafka in the house? Viriditas (talk) 04:13, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

I notified you because I promised to, and I thought it would be polite. It took a couple hours to open the case, and one step was using a standardized wording to notify all non-party contributors. I was tired, and too lazy to craft a custom statement, so used that one, and added a note. I was trying to be helpful.--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:43, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

WP:ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Request to stay off User:Dirtlawyer1 talk page

Hi Veriditas,

The ANI post you have been notified of relates to a users talk page they have requested you dont edit. Although this is not usually enforceable unless as part of an interaction ban it may be helpful to try to refrain from posting on this users talk page to try and keep things civil and reduce the chance of any action such as interaction bas bein nessecary. If there are issues with the articles you are both involved in then it would be best to discuss this on the talk page of the article where other editors can weigh in to help build consesnus on the edits in question.

I am aware that as an experienced editor you are aware of the dispute resolution options available and the information I have posted above but felt this was a more appropriate method of communicating than templating a regular. Amortias (T)(C) 12:10, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Amortias. The primary issue is that the user makes personal attacks all over the place, and then when is asked to stop on their talk page, continues making them. As if that wasn't enough, the user then psychologically projects their own shortcomings on to other editors. It's difficult dealing with editors for whom things like honesty and forthright criticism of ideas is unheard of and forbidden. Viriditas (talk) 21:41, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok as a compromise I'm fairly active on here, if you see something thats an issue would you be willing to have me act as a go between? I can discuss the issues you raise with me while your still staying off the users talk page. If your happy with that I can post the idea at the ANI page and see if the other editors happy with it? As theres no officail IBAN in place there souldnt be an issue with someone acting as a go betwen.Amortias (T)(C) 21:45, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Sure, that sounds great. Thanks for your offer of help, it's greatly appreciated. You remind me of what Wikipedia used to be like, when editors went out of their way to help others. Viriditas (talk) 21:47, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Arzel issue

Hi. Sorry to say I am not sure what he was talking about or up to? He came to my page and accused me of stalking him. Apparently I edited a page he also edited and did not like my edit. He came back after I wrote to him on his talk page. He eventually stopped but seemed to go off on a tangent for some unknown reason? Sorry to say I am not sure what set him off or why he chose me for his behavior? Resaltador (talk) 15:46, 20 October 2014 (UTC)